Did the NBA product suddenly suck when viewership dropped by 50% when MJ 1st retired?

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Facts. Those cards were usually journeymen galore :russ:. I remember getting this gem in an Fleer Ultra pack and a cousin of my stealing it from me later. I got it back after my Unc gave him a memorable don’t steal from family ass whooping:mjgrin:


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:jbhmm: did you drop the dime on cuzzo? :russ:
 

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:jbhmm: did you drop the dime on cuzzo? :russ:
I keep my cards in a book with the sheer sleeve pages. My siblings and my cousins were all collecting cards back then. That nigg@ just so happened to be the last person looking through my book before we caught the bus to school, and the card mysteriously ‘vanished’ :francis: . I was pissed and cried tears of anger and wilding for most of the time at school. I gave him several opportunities to come clean, but he couldn’t stopped lying.I called his house once more after school and my Unc was background and heard the exchange. My Unc searched him, found the card (nigg@ kept the card on him in his drawls :snoop:), beat his ass, and brought him over to the crib to apologize in person while he cried. I was able to get my card back:blessed:
 

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I keep my cards in a book with the sheer sleeve pages. My siblings and my cousins were all collecting cards back then. That nigg@ just so happened to be the last person looking through my book before we caught the bus to school, and the card mysteriously ‘vanished’ :francis: . I was pissed and cried tears of anger and wilding for most of the time at school. I gave him several opportunities to come clean, but he couldn’t stopped lying.I called his house once more after school and my Unc was background and heard the exchange. My Unc searched him, found the card (nigg@ kept the card on him in his drawls :snoop:), beat his ass, and brought him over to the crib to apologize in person while he cried. I was able to get my card back:blessed:
:russ: it be ya own people. You invited him into your space and that's how he repaid you :mjlol:
 

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Facts. Those cards were usually journeymen galore :russ:. I remember getting this gem in an Fleer Ultra pack and a cousin of mine stealing it from me later. I got it back after my Unc gave him a memorable don’t steal from family ass whooping:mjgrin:


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He got a 45 on this dunk. I remember being PISSED!
 

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Kobe fans destroyed the league.

Everything that we’re seeing now is a byproduct of disingenuous, cynical, ring culture fanbase.

Well ask yourself, what great player benefits most from context-less counting of rings. When did ring culture go into hyper mode? It’s when Bron became a threat to Kobe. So let me get this straight you’re a better scorer but I score the same ppg as you, I score more than you in the playoffs, I avg more assists, more rebounds, im more athletic, im doing more with less. Kobe had literally nothing on Lebron expect…..

RANGZ.

So in order to stave off lebron, it ushered in the ideology that your stats don’t matter, you playing the game the right way don’t matter. Your regular season don’t matter, reaching the finals don’t matter in fact if you lose ima make it a negative. All that matters is ngga lemme see them RAAANGZ

Ffwd that same mentality has led to: your regular season don’t matter, your playoffs don’t matter, your all star game don’t matter, nothing matters at all except the chip. And guess what we gon dismiss that too if we don’t like you. Bron got a ‘bubble ring’. Tatum wins a ring it’s ‘but you didn’t do it with aura’, and ‘JB is better’. League is cooked bc the fanbase is cooked and that’s the genesis
 

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Kobe fans destroyed the league.

Everything that we’re seeing now is a byproduct of disingenuous, cynical, ring culture fanbase.

Well ask yourself, what great player benefits most from context-less counting of rings. When did ring culture go into hyper mode? It’s when Bron became a threat to Kobe. So let me get this straight you’re a better scorer but I score the same ppg as you, I score more than you in the playoffs, I avg more assists, more rebounds, im more athletic, im doing more with less. Kobe had literally nothing on Lebron expect…..

RANGZ.

So in order to stave off lebron, it ushered in the ideology that your stats don’t matter, you playing the game the right way don’t matter. Your regular season don’t matter, reaching the finals don’t matter in fact if you lose ima make it a negative. All that matters is ngga lemme see them RAAANGZ

Ffwd that same mentality has led to: your regular season don’t matter, your playoffs don’t matter, your all star game don’t matter, nothing matters at all except the chip. And guess what we gon dismiss that too if we don’t like you. Bron got a ‘bubble ring’. Tatum wins a ring it’s ‘but you didn’t do it with aura’, and ‘JB is better’. League is cooked bc the fanbase is cooked and that’s the genesis
Falsehoods. Do the knowledge, there was decades of basketball before Kobe.

The RANGZ culture started with Magic and Bird trying to outdo each other. Magic was the loudest about rings in the 80’s. People used that to favor his and Larry’s comparison to Jordan back when MJ didn’t win yet. #YouWasntThere

Even further back, tings were used in the Russell vs. Wilt comparisons.
 
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Falsehoods. Do the knowledge, there was decades of basketball before Kobe.

The RANGZ culture started with Magic. He was the loudest about rings in the 80’s. People used that to favor his comparison to Jordan back when MJ didn’t win yet. #YouWasntThere

Even with no rings countless people said Mike was the best they’d ever seen. Bobby knight (before he even stepped on an nba court), Bird after that 63, etc

Also a very key difference: Pointing out players haven’t won yet isn’t what makes toxic ring culture. It’s when you are ready to dismiss a person’s whole entire career and other accolades simply bc they don’t have rings or bc they don’t have as many as others.

And to the MJ-Magic point, MJ was consensus goat before he matched Magic’ 5 rings. Let alone Kareem’s 6

On the contrary, up until that ‘bubble ring’, Kobe fans was all types of 5 > 2, 5 > 3 bc that was literally the only argument they had left for Kobe > Bron.
 

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Even with no rings countless people said Mike was the best they’d ever seen. Bobby knight (before he even stepped on an nba court), Bird after that 63, etc

Also a very key difference: Pointing out players haven’t won yet isn’t what makes toxic ring culture. It’s when you are ready to dismiss a person’s whole entire career and other accolades simply bc they don’t have rings or bc they don’t have as many as others.

And to the MJ-Magic point, MJ was consensus goat before he matched Magic’ 5 rings. Let alone Kareem’s 6

On the contrary, up until that ‘bubble ring’, Kobe fans was all types of 5 > 2, 5 > 3 bc that was literally the only argument they had left for Kobe > Bron.
You keep bringing up Kobe. If you want to debate about him and Bron, that’s another topic. But it didn’t start with Kobe.
 

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what viewership #s are being referenced here?

1994 NBA All-Star Game Viewership Drop**
Following Jordan’s retirement, the 1994 NBA All-Star Game saw a 40.3% decline in viewership, dropping from 22.91 million viewers in 1993 (the most-watched All-Star Game ever at the time) to 13.7 million viewers in 1994.

Regular Season Viewership Trends
During Jordan’s peak with the Chicago Bulls (1993–1998), the NBA regular season averaged 3.725 million viewers**. After his retirement, the 1999–2000 season saw a **43% drop** to 2.1 million viewers . This decline was part of a broader post-Jordan trend, with viewership falling by nearly half compared to the 1995–96 peak (2.99 million) .
 

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You keep bringing up Kobe. If you want to debate about him and Bron, that’s another topic. But it didn’t start with Kobe.

The topic seems to be the shytty state of the league. I’m giving my perspective of the tipping point of where things went left. So, it’s on topic
 

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False. Like I said. It started with Magic and Bird.
No it didnt. CBS made it about Lakers vs Celtics.

Ring culture started with MJ. There’s a reason why MJ’s 63 points at Boston Garden was celebrated, and that was in a series where the Bulls got swept. That performance wasnt dismissed.


How old were you then?
 
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