Dirk is better than Charles Barkley, KG and Malone

[FTBS]

What about all those other years Karl Malone didn't win? You can't keep using the Jordan excuse

So Malone or any of those other guys would be better in you eyes if Mike had turned bytch in one of the Finals that he faced them in? Dirk has a ring because Lebron went , not because he carried his team or wouldn't let them lose or any other false narrative.

When Dirk started posting up shyt got serious. That run in 06. You know what I may just have to cosign this. Malone was a known choker and did a lot of off of P&R with Stockton. KG, despite his histrionics, wasn't necessarily the toughest guy in the clutch. And Barkley was a beast but was undersized and didn't really help your cause on D. That said you put Dirk on any of those squads and I am not sure those teams championship fortunes necessarily change. Good topic though.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

You mean the guy who's team was the first 1 seed to lose a seven game series to an 8 seed?

Yeah. That guy.

Hey, didn't Tim fukkin' Duncan lose as a 1 seed on a squad with Manu Ginobli (All-Star SG) and Tony Parker (All-Star PG) to an 8-seeded Grizzlies team in 2011?

Using transitive property on your dumbass statement, Tim Duncan fukking blows dikk and it's laughable that that sorry ass scrub ever lost to an 8 seed while he was playing with 2 All Stars. Oh yeah, Manu broke his arm, so it's okay, right? But Dirk losing the Warriors is inexcusable.

Give me a fukkin break.

I also like how people won't take Dirk at his prime in 2011, but use the 2006 Finals and the 2007 Warriors series as to why he's not better than KG. Notice how Dirk didn't have to team up with arguably a top 3 3pt shooter of all time and Paul Pierce in order to win a ring. Also, it's so fair to judge a guy based on his game when it isn't fully developed yet.

He was a 7 footer putting the ball on the ground with his back to the basket, and Don Nelson knew that (since he basically developed Dirk into a legit NBA player), so he sent guys like JAX and Al Harrington go crowd him from his blindside and it flustered him. He hadn't developed that part of his game yet.

Ask Phil Jackson, Scott Brooks, and Erik Spoelstra how sending blindside help to crowd Dirk worked out for them.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

One thing that can't be argued is that dude has greater sportsman ship & behavior than any of those listed.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

One thing that can't be argued is that dude has greater sportsman ship & behavior than any of those listed.

 

[jadillac]

Of course I'm a big Dirk fan, but he's not a better scorer than Karl Malone.

Karl Malone is the #2 all time scorer that, unless Kobe passes him, might not ever be passed.

Of course why am I arguing with a 17 year old threadstarter? If you're 17, all ur going by is stats b/c you never saw a prime Malone or prime Barkley.

 

[nieman]

They are all multi-dimensional players, and you can't say that about Dirk. He's the better shooter, but they are better scorers....OK, maybe not KG, but KG is just as good as a shooter inside the arc, and a much better post-player.

Dirk has an MVP, so does KG, Chuck & Malone. Lets not forget that Mailman has an INCREDIBLE playoff run in '97 or Chuck in '93 that you could say trumps Dirk. And Dirk can be guarded by 6'7 swingmen. Stack/Jet carried them in the early rounds in '06. I'm not taking Dirk to start my team over Chuck or Mailman...not then, not in hindsight. Chuck & Mailman played in the most competitive era of the NBA, and lost to MJ.

I always have said that Webber & KG are the same player, what KG gives in one-the-ball defense, Webber can do by running the offense, but both were great players who were labeled with the "choking tag", but so was Dirk. I guess a ring does change perception.

Bottom line, Dirk is somewhere in between Webber & KG and probably above, but I wouldn't put him over Malone, Chuck, Duncan, McHale

 

[superunknown23]

WTF is going on

Dirk better than Malone? (I hate that nikka btw)
I don't even bother discussing basketball here anymore. We got 20 year-olds talking about the 90s like experts

 

[mastermind]

Of course I'm a big Dirk fan, but he's not a better scorer than Karl Malone.

Dirk is a MUCH better scorer than Karl Malone. I know who has the most total points, but if you watch the two play, Dirk can score in so many more ways than Malone.

And Dirk doesnt need the pick and roll to get his points either.

 

[jadillac]

Dirk is a MUCH better scorer than Karl Malone. I know who has the most total points, but if you watch the two play, Dirk can score in so many more ways than Malone.

And Dirk doesnt need the pick and roll to get his points either.

Yeah, I get that, but numbers don't lie in this case.
The pick n roll is nothing new to bball, and it wasnt new back then.

And w/o it, Malone could still face up on the block and hit that 12 footer all day.

IMO, I'd clarify it by saying Dirk is a better shooter.

But if I'm looking for production for my team I'm going to pick a prime Malone over Dirk

 

[Malta]

Yeah, I get that, but numbers don't lie in this case.
The pick n roll is nothing new to bball, and it wasnt new back then.

And w/o it, Malone could still face up on the block and hit that 12 footer all day.

IMO, I'd clarify it by saying Dirk is a better shooter.

But if I'm looking for production for my team I'm going to pick a prime Malone over Dirk

Dirk has a higher average in the playoffs

 

[the cool]

They are all multi-dimensional players, and you can't say that about Dirk. He's the better shooter, but they are better scorers....OK, maybe not KG, but KG is just as good as a shooter inside the arc, and a much better post-player.

Dirk has an MVP, so does KG, Chuck & Malone. Lets not forget that Mailman has an INCREDIBLE playoff run in '97 or Chuck in '93 that you could say trumps Dirk. And Dirk can be guarded by 6'7 swingmen. Stack/Jet carried them in the early rounds in '06. I'm not taking Dirk to start my team over Chuck or Mailman...not then, not in hindsight. Chuck & Mailman played in the most competitive era of the NBA, and lost to MJ.

I always have said that Webber & KG are the same player, what KG gives in one-the-ball defense, Webber can do by running the offense, but both were great players who were labeled with the "choking tag", but so was Dirk. I guess a ring does change perception.

Bottom line, Dirk is somewhere in between Webber & KG and probably above, but I wouldn't put him over Malone, Chuck, Duncan, McHale

the worst post in this thread. stack/jet carrying the mavs team?

dirk avg 27ppg and 11.6rpg that year in the playoffs

malone has never done shyt in the playoffs and barkley only had that one year with the suns where he did good. matter of fact barkley has never done shyt in the playoffs.

 

[the cool]

another big shot by dirk in the playoffs

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE73N0Nbjhw"]Dirk Nowitzki's Favorite Playoff Moment - YouTube[/ame]

game tying and 1 play in game 7 vs spurs to go into overtime


next series dirk drops 50 vs suns



.........and this was all in one year


now lets see some kg highlights in his playoffs

 

[mastermind]

Yeah, I get that, but numbers don't lie in this case.
The pick n roll is nothing new to bball, and it wasnt new back then.

And w/o it, Malone could still face up on the block and hit that 12 footer all day.

IMO, I'd clarify it by saying Dirk is a better shooter.

But if I'm looking for production for my team I'm going to pick a prime Malone over Dirk

I literally dont know what this means. I didnt say the PnR is something new, just that Malone got a big number of his points off that.

And I didnt deny that Malone is 2nd on the all time scoring list, but Dirk can score in many more ways than Malone. Its not even worth having a serious convo over because of how many different ways Dirk can score.

In the low post, high post, baseline, 3 pointer, creating for himself, etc. Dirk is one of the most complete scorers ever. Malone was a PnR guy who can face you up as well but could not score efficiently in any other way.

If im looking for production, give me Dirk. He never had a HOF point guard either.

And Dirk lead a squad to the NBA title.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Dirk has a higher average in the playoffs

This is what it really comes down to. How much you value superior scoring playoff performance. Defense usually gets tougher in the playoffs so scoring and rebounding becomes tougher. Despite this Dirk INCREASES his numbers. That's fukkin' impressive. But other than this one thing you really can't say he is better than any of these guys other than shooting. How much that increase scoring/rebounding matters compared to overall game to a particular person is key to the argument.

 

[Malta]

This is what it really comes down to. How much you value superior scoring playoff performance. Defense usually gets tougher in the playoffs so scoring and rebounding becomes tougher. Despite this Dirk INCREASES his numbers. That's fukkin' impressive. But other than this one thing you really can't say he is better than any of these guys other than shooting. How much that increase scoring/rebounding matters compared to overall game to a particular person is key to the argument.

And yet, only 1 of these 4 guys won a title as the man.

RPG playoffs -

Karl - 10.7
KG - 11.0
Dirk - 10.3


Sorry, but what Dirk did works, you can talk about defense all you want, but at the end of the day KG & Karl always came up short when it mattered. Only 1 guy led his team to a title, and went through a murderers row of the best players in the league to do it.