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No it's not actually.

its only in the past couple years that public schools have gotten closed, partially due to charter schools, and people realizing they are incredibly wasteful but very few public schools have closed in the past 20-30 years
 

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its only in the past couple years that public schools have gotten closed, partially due to charter schools, and people realizing they are incredibly wasteful but very few public schools have closed in the past 20-30 years

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Yup, NO is the only place where schools are closed for poor performance etc!

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yeah pretty much, even the stories about chicago and PA the schools closing where because of declining population, performance was actually a secondary issue
 

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do you even read your own link? half the stories are about charter schools closing down and the other half are from bloomberg shutting down schools in nyc

none of those stories bolster your point and bolster mines

No it doesn't bolster your point. Schools are shut down all the time in NYC public and charter.

You're not winning your argument by hand waving and lying.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/29/nyregion/29closings.html

In the eight years since Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has used school closings as a cornerstone of his school reform strategy, 91 schools have been shuttered and replaced with new schools.

The Obama administration asked states to identify their lowest-performing 5 percent of schools for closing or other serious interventions; 12 more are in that category. And the city identified 16 additional schools through its own process, weighing test scores, parent reviews and other measures.

this is just nyc, this article is from 2010, schools close by the handful every year in NYC.

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Report slams Louisiana charter school oversight

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State education officials said their findings of special education violations at Lagniappe Academies showed their monitoring process worked. A Tuesday report disagrees, saying it shows Louisiana charters don't have enough oversight. (Danielle Dreilinger, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune)
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Louisiana understaffs its charter schoolsoversight offices and, instead of proactively investigating these schools, relies on charters' own reports and whistleblowers to uncover problems, according to a report released Tuesday (May 12) by the Center for Popular Democracy and the Coalition for Community Schools. That allows theft, cheating and mismanagement to happen, such as the $26,000 stolen from Lake Area New Tech High and the years of special education violations alleged at Lagniappe Academies.

The report also casts a skeptical eye on the veracity of the data that Louisiana uses to calculate the performance scores that keep charters open and determine their renewal terms. And it faults the state for closing struggling charters instead of intervening to improve them.

The Center for Popular Democracy's partners include the American Federation of Teachers, which has an uneasy relationship with charters, and the Annenberg Institute for School Reform, which studies charter school oversight. Kyle Serrette, the center's director of educational justice campaigns, said its parent members had children in charter and conventional public schools.

That said, one of the report's recommendations is to "impose a moratorium on new charter schools until the state oversight system is adequately reformed."

The Louisiana-based Coalition for Community Schools opposes charter schools outright and filed a civil rights complaint against the state Education Department in 2014. That complaint also included a demand to freeze chartering in New Orleans.

The two groups' report said Louisiana charters could suffer from "tens of millions of fraud in the 2013-14 school year alone," based on the methodology of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners. In that time, employees of three New Orleans charter schools stole about $110,000, and two charter operators were accused of meddling with retirement payments.

#grayscale'); -webkit-filter: grayscale(100%); background: url(http://www.nola.com/static/common/img/sprites/meta-sprite-ext.png) -390px 0px no-repeat;">Oversight agencies play almost no role in helping charter schools improve academic outcomes."

"The state has invested heavily in increasing the number of charter schools while failing to create a solid regulatory framework that truly protects students, families and taxpayers," the authors write. Furthermore, "oversight agencies play almost no role in helping charter schools improve academic outcomes. ... The state has no system in place to provide a path to high-quality academics for all struggling charter schools."

Charter schools are publicly funded but run by independent non-profit boards. They control their own curriculum and hiring but must meet academic and operational standards to stay open. The state Education Department oversees most of Louisiana's 130-plus charters; local school systems oversee the rest.

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However, as of December, the Education Department's charter audit team consisted of only three people, according to a critical December report from the Louisiana legislative auditor's office. Education Superintendent John White defended his team at the time, saying they reviewed charter schools' audits, among other activities.

Tuesday's paper says that isn't enough. Not only do charters hire their own accountants to conduct annual audits, but the audits are not designed to prevent or detect fraud. Indeed, reports typically contain a disclaimer saying they are not expressing an opinion on fraud controls. The legislative auditor's office might dig deeper but rarely does so, the report states.

"The only audits Louisiana charter schools routinely undergo are the ones they pay for themselves," the authors write.

The report faults the Education Department for not spending enough time on-site at charters. Charters receive regular visits and reviews from state inspectors, and Louisiana Recovery School District officials said their own findings of wrongdoing at Lagniappe Academies in New Orleans showed that their oversight procedures worked.

The authors of Tuesday's report disagreed. The state's 2013-14 review of Lagniappe Academies gave full points for special education, the two organizations said, and it was only later that state inspectors uncovered extensive reports of violations during that time period.

"The situation at Lagniappe shows exactly the problems with the state's oversight structure for charter schools," the report says. "The state relies on a
largely self-reporting oversight structure that is easily manipulated by the schools themselves."

The authors doubt the accuracy of the test scores that are used to measure charters' academic performance, writing that the data "is vulnerable to manipulation."

Finally, the authors disagree with the state's readiness to close charters, including Lagniappe.

"Clearly there are times when problems are significant enough that a school must be closed. Yet, the current intervention (process) is designed to make school closure a normal and common part of the state's accountability system," the authors write. "The system needs to be updated to produce more stability for Louisiana children." In six years, more than 1,700 New Orleans students have seen their charter schools close, according to the report.

Louisiana's laws are "designed to set a high standard but not to help," Serrette said.

The state does at times intervene instead of closing schools, although this is not mentioned in the report. The Recovery School District has chosen successful charter operators to take over failing schools, for example, and White directed Lycée Français to find a new chief executive and assigned it a consultant team. Lycée has gone on to make a B grade, and its charter contract has been extended.

The report's recommendations include:

  • Require fraud audits every three years, to be conducted by the state legislative auditor's office
  • Train charter staff and boards on preventing fraud
  • Hire more staff for the legislative auditor's office and charter school oversight teams
  • Require "mandatory, hands-on, long-term, strategic support" for charters in trouble
  • Go beyond test scores when calculating school letter grades
  • Create local committees, including neighbors and parents, to design schools that serve the needs of a community
  • Coordinate social services at and around schools
  • Release raw testing data to the public.
Some of these issues are not unique to charters. Louisiana's conventional public schools also face pressure to keep test scores high: If they don't, they may be taken over by the state. There have been numerous examples of corruption and fraud in school boards and systems. Serrette said it was likely Louisiana's regular school systems needed stronger oversight as well.

http://www.nola.com/education/index.ssf/2015/05/report_slams_louisiana_charter.html


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Report: disproportionate number of black students being arrested in one Louisiana school district


BY COLLEEN SHALBY May 12, 2015 at 4:38 PM EDT
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For most children, swearing in school, throwing Skittles on a bus or walking around without a hallpass would get them sent to the principal’s office. But in the Jefferson Parish School District of Louisiana, many of these misbehaviors have resulted in arrest.

A new report from the Southern Law Poverty Center found that schools and police are using a revised state statute to arrest students “under the charge of simple battery for horseplay and typical student roughhousing and fighting.” The report also finds that roughly 80 percent of students arrested in the 2013/2014 school year were African-American, though they only account for 40 percent of Jefferson Parish’s student population of 45,914.

The report comes three years after the SPLC filed a complaint with the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights. An investigation has since been underway, looking at the high number of black students being arrested for minor rule breaking in that specific school district.

Jefferson Parish School District isn’t the only one to allow police to guard schools and make arrests. But SPLC believes they have abused their power. According to them, police made 706 school-based arrests and received 923 law enforcement referrals at that particular school distrcit. By comparison, the East Baton Rouge Parish has a student population of 42,985. That same year, police made no school-based arrests there and received only 170 law enforcement referrals.

The report argues:

JPPSS’s policy and practice of arresting students and referring them to law enforcement for minor student misbehavior violates Title VI of the Civil Rights Act because: (1) the practice disproportionately affects African American students, who, although comprising only 41% of the Jefferson Parish student body, account for 80% of all school-based arrests; (2) the practice is not necessary to meet any educational goals and instead has devastating consequences for students; and (3) there are equally effective, less discriminatory alternatives for preventing and responding to minor student misbehavior.

Several arrests were pinned to “Interference with an Educational Facility.” One such instance in the report says that a 14-year-old girl went outside of her school in March where she began yelling and cursing after a parent-teacher conference. Police told her to stop shouting, or she would be arrested. When she continued to remain emotional, she was arrested and kept overnight in a juvenile detention center.

On a different occasion, a 15-year-old boy and other students threw Skittles at each other on a bus. The 15-year-old was arrested the following day at school for “simple battery” and “interference with an educational facility.” He was then left in a juvenile detention center for six days.

Another instance, also from March, details the arrest of a 10-year-old African American autistic girl who police handcuffed face-down on the ground, after she disrupted her classroom by climbing on top of tables and out a window onto a tree.

Beth Branley, a spokeswoman for the school district, said in a statement Friday, “We are aware of and are very concerned by these allegations. We pledge to work closely with those agencies involved to quickly resolve any issues that we identify. We are committed to ensuring that our students have a safe, healthy environment and are treated equably at all schools.”


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No it doesn't bolster your point. Schools are shut down all the time in NYC public and charter.

You're not winning your argument by hand waving and lying.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/29/nyregion/29closings.html

In the eight years since Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has used school closings as a cornerstone of his school reform strategy, 91 schools have been shuttered and replaced with new schools.

The Obama administration asked states to identify their lowest-performing 5 percent of schools for closing or other serious interventions; 12 more are in that category. And the city identified 16 additional schools through its own process, weighing test scores, parent reviews and other measures.

this is just nyc, this article is from 2010, schools close by the handful every year in NYC.

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LOL, bloomberg?

bloomberg is part of the fuk public schools movement, i support bloomberg, im saying he didnt go far enough and that other mayors need to follow him

closing charter schools is also part of my argument, i support it, if a school doesnt perform it needs to be shut down

if you show me how many schools mayor koch or dinkins closed then you may have a point, but using bloomberg, ,who basically is doing what im suggesting, as an example of public schools closing is laughable
 

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Louisiana: Burning Science at the Stake
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Quick background: In 2008, creationist Gov. Bobby Jindal signed the Louisiana Science Education Act into law. If there is a more Orwellian-named law, I’m unaware of it: It’s a blatant attempt to allow educators to teach creationism in public school science classes.

Science advocate Zack Kopplin (who is now 21) has tried to get the law repealed every year, and every year the appeal is denied by the Legislature.

Watching footage of the hearings is, quite simply, brain-exploding. In 2013, one legislator asked if E. coli bacteria would evolve into a human and another talked with dripping contempt for scientists. A third actually advocated using the teachings of a witch doctor in the classroom.

That last one—Elbert Guillory, R–District 24—was at it again this year, saying profoundly ridiculous things at the hearing.* Seriously, watch:
I’ve tried really hard, and although people have used science for all sorts of bad things, I can’t remember scientists ever burning dissenters at the stake. And Guillory actually uses the word “heretic” unironically, apparently clueless as to the word’s origins.

Thank heavens for Sen. JP Morrell, D–District 3, who schools Guillory about who historically burned whom at the stake.

Incredibly, the very arguably unconstitutional “science education” law was upheld,according to Kopplin, due to one senator’s “lack of courage.” Mind you, this is despite Kopplin having actual evidence it’s being used to teach creationism in schools!

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I’ll be blunt: If I were a university taking applications from students who graduated from Louisiana public schools, I’d cast a careful eye over their application, especially in the sciences. That might be difficult for Louisiana universities, since Jindal is planning on brutally cutting their budgets, but it’s a necessary consequence of this sort of legislative environment.

This is not the students’ fault, of course, but of the Louisiana citizens who vote—or, more likely, don’t vote—at election time.

Voting matters, people. Local elections are critical. Educate yourself on the issues and candidates, and when the time comes, vote for those who stick to evidence-based reasoning. It’s no exaggeration to say our future depends on it.

Correction, May 12, 2015, at 15:00 UTC: I originally misstated that Guillory was a Democrat; as he was the last time I wrote about him. He started out his career as a Republican, switched to being a Democrat in 2007, then changed parties again in 2013 back to Republican.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/05/12/louisiana_creationism_science_and_heretics.html

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Creationism in Louisiana schools: Activist's article says it's being taught

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A Louisiana legislative committee narrowly shot down an effort on Wednesday (April 23) to repeal a state law that some claim allows for the teaching of creationism in public school science classes.

There have been repeated attempts to scrap the Louisiana Science Education Act, adopted in 2008, but all have failed. Zack Kopplin, a 21-year-old college student from Baton Rouge, has been on the front line of the repeal effort, dating back to his senior year at Baton Rouge High School.

"It was such a shock to my system that the law passed," Kopplin, who was 14 when Gov. Bobby Jindal signed the law, said Thursday (April 23). "It's stuck in my head for several years as a blatant wrong that needs to be fixed."

When Kopplin testified in support of legislation seeking to repeal the law in 2013, Senate education committee chairman Conrad Appel, R-Metairie, said the law offered a back door to teach creationism, but he didn't think any schools or teachers were using it, Kopplin said.

"I've found the back door," Kopplin writes in an article published Tuesday (April 21) in Slate headlined "Dismissing Darwin."

The article, much of which Kopplin read into the record Wednesday, says Ouachita Parish has led the charge to teach creationism before the state law passed, as their district policy provided the framework for the state law sponsored by Frank Hoffman, R-West Monroe.

It includes a copy of a letter signed by 20 or so current and former Louisiana science teachers, in addition to Ouachita Parish School Superintendent Robert Webber, that "is for all intents and purposes an admission of teaching creationism," Kopplin writes.

The letter says: "When it comes to subjects such as cloning, human-caused global warming and biological evolution" the Ouachita policy allows teachers to "bring up scientific questions that challenge current scientific 'theories'... without any tension or fear."

In 2012, Central Community School System, located in East Baton Rouge Parish, adopted a version of Ouachita's policy.

The Slate article references a 2013 Americans for Civil Liberties Union lawsuitcentered on an incident in Sabine Parish in which a sixth grade student was harassed for his Buddhist faith and told those who didn't believe in god were "stupid." As part of the settlement, the Sabine Parish School System has had to comply with a consent decree requiring they no longer promote religion in school.

The article also includes a copy of March 2015 email suggesting efforts are underway to bring school policies of Ouachita Parish and Central to Livingston Parish Public Schools, though it's unclear if the effort relies on the 2008 law.

Kopplin said he was disappointed with the panel's 4-3 decision Wednesday to killSenate Bill 74, but said, "This is the best vote we've ever had." He encouraged the bill's sponsor, Karen Carter Peterson, D-New Orleans, to sponsor the bill in 2010. She's brought it back each year.

As many as six parishes have some evidence suggesting creationism is taught, Kopplin said, noting the constructional challenges that could be argued in court.

"I would be very cautious about voting this repeal down."

Read Kopplin's full Slate article here.


http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/04/creationism_louisiana_educatio.html

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