Do you believe God is up there micromanaging everyone's lives?

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If you want to claim that nothing is logically impossible than you might as well just toss logical thought out the window.

You're right that it's possible that God is not bound by what we believe to be constraints. However, to assume that God can perform logically impossible tasks is illogical itself and an impossible place to start a philosophy from. If you assume that your logic doesn't matter for God, then how can you even judge the Maleah situation? You can come up with any justification, even if the justification is totally illogical, because you've dismissed logical processes as a constraint.

I understand your argument. I just simply disagree.

We are taking about defining God. If it exists, to try to define it in logical terms would be foolhardy. All we would end up with is imperfect truth. Which in itself can easily become a lie.
 
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yes I do but only because I cant break my childhood evangelical protestant programming.
 

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The answer to this question is answered on a case by case basis. If someone saved a kitten from a tree God moved that person to be a feline savior. If somebody guns down an unarmed senior citizen it's the devil's work.

I'd say no myself.

Be omnipresent in name only, god Brehs.

If you argue free will you argue against omnipresence. Just a heads up. Can't have it both ways
 

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Like @Wiles said, we have free will. What people fail to understand you have to have a personal relationship with God and actually seek him. Just going to church aint going to cut it.
 
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you have to make up your mind :yeshrug: i mean first he knows everything we do, but then we have free will, first he answers individual prayers, but then he doesnt and he just sits back and lets free will happen.

religious fools just jump from narrative to narrative depending on how their year went :mjlol:
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“Prayer Works” :mjlol: no the fukk it doesn’t. If two people are praying against each other, is God rolling the dice on who’s prayer he wants to answer? :dead:
he does it every super bowl :ehh: also every presidential election

that's one of my go to's for trolling trump supporters on youtube. every time i see "thank god and jesus for president trump :mjcry:" , i remind them to thank the same god for two terms of obama :banderas:
 

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I am starting to believe their is no God, and if their is i will be the first person in line to cuss his ass out for letting shyt go on as it does.
 

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Saying that the Universe is self-creating/self-organizing IS a theory, tho not a particularly credible one.
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always wondered this; i cant say the universe is self creating and self organizing, but you can say god is self creating and self organizing?

if you dont have to explain where god came from, why do i have to explain where the universe came from? "it was always just here" is plenty of explanation for me
Dismissing literally billions of people's experience of God in order to fit your view of how Occum's Razor should work isn't very open-minded.
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i don't categorize hopeful self-delusion as "experience with god" :mjlol: none of that can be proven. someone who thinks god is reason they survived their car accident has to explain why the 5 year old 2 states over just got cut in half in HIS car accident
 

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always wondered this; i cant say the universe is self creating and self organizing, but you can say god is self creating and self organizing?

if you dont have to explain where god came from, why do i have to explain where the universe came from? "it was always just here" is plenty of explanation for me
Because the universe is materialistic and exists within finite space time. It is a created thing, so it really did have to come from somewhere. Your "it was always just here" is not only an article of faith, it's a particularly unjustified one.

Fr. George Lemeirtre's discovery of the Big Bang put the biggest nail in the coffin of the "it was always here" theory. There were some atheist physicists who denied the evidence for decades as they were uncomfortable with the implications.

On the other hand, something non-materialistic, supernatural, outside of spacetime, wouldn't even be describable in terms of a "when" it started. You can actually say God is "the Alpha and the Omega" and be on firm logical ground.



i don't categorize hopeful self-delusion as "experience with god" :mjlol: none of that can be proven
What would you consider valid evidence of a supernatural God?
 

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Because the universe is materialistic and exists within finite space time. It is a created thing, so it really did have to come from somewhere. Your "it was always just here" is not only an article of faith, it's a particularly unjustified one.

Fr. George Lemeirtre's discovery of the Big Bang put the biggest nail in the coffin of the "it was always here" theory. There were some atheist physicists who denied the evidence for decades as they were uncomfortable with the implications.

On the other hand, something non-materialistic, supernatural, outside of spacetime, wouldn't even be describable in terms of a "when" it started. You can actually say God is "the Alpha and the Omega" and be on firm logical ground.




What would you consider valid evidence of a supernatural God?
show himself to us like he did in the bible :yeshrug:

i mean im sorry but the copout of "well god was always just there because he's god" is so unbelievable EPIC that i don't even know how to address it. it's so intellectually bankrupt :mjlol:
 
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