Do you have a good reason to believe in god?

[Everythingg]

Causation does not equal correlation. Also, how did you rule out all of the possibilities that may have caused this.

Bruh all your ramblings are irrelevant. Lets go down a timeline. We've both agreed that ancient Egypt was "black". The bible says that the Israelites, at different times, were mistaken for Egyptians. So if the Egyptians were black, and Israelites were mistaken for them, that must mean that they are also "black". So we've now established two things that are certain. Now, where did the descendants of these people go?

The bible says they will be taken to a foreign land to be enslaved on slave ships. The ONLY group that this applies to in modern times are the blacks in the Americas. You found a place where Israelites were taken to enslavement on ships. Now connect the other curses to THAT stay like we can with blacks in America. You cant.

If the Israelites were black, then where are their descendants? And why is their a group of cacs, claiming to be said descendants of these black Israelites? While blacks in America have NO knowledge of their history past slavery/colonialism? It all fits breh. Just because you DONT want to see it, doesnt mean anything changes.. I wish you the best on your search if its a SINCERE one

 

[DREAMZZZ]

You will cherry pick and find holes in every response that doesn't fit what you are trying to prove.

I cant find holes if your argument doesn't have any.

You know there is a Supreme Being that created all of us, and all of this (universe,mankind). That's why your conscience won't let you put this topic down.

At this point, your thread has become an interesting debate, and not you whole heartedly seeking to know God which is what it should really be about.

Thank you for telling me what my thread should REALLY be about. I will get right on that.

If He's not real to you, then stop playing around wasting folks' time with endless questions.

Look, if you don't like where this thread is heading you can leave just as quietly as you came.

 

[DREAMZZZ]

Bruh all your ramblings are irrelevant. Lets go down a timeline. We've both agreed that ancient Egypt was "black". The bible says that the Israelites, at different times, were mistaken for Egyptians. So if the Egyptians were black, and Israelites were mistaken for them, that must mean that they are also "black". So we've now established two things that are certain. Now, where did the descendants of these people go?

The bible says they will be taken to a foreign land to be enslaved on slave ships. The ONLY group that this applies to in modern times are the blacks in the Americas. You found a place where Israelites were taken to enslavement on ships. Now connect the other curses to THAT stay like we can with blacks in America. You cant.

If the Israelites were black, then where are their descendants? And why is their a group of cacs, claiming to be said descendants of these black Israelites? While blacks in America have NO knowledge of their history past slavery/colonialism? It all fits breh. Just because you DONT want to see it, doesnt mean anything changes.. I wish you the best on your search if its a SINCERE one

Well since I literally rebut this whole narrative in my last reply, I will repost it here. I am just going to assume you didn't read it.

OK....... where do I begin with Deuteronomy. Now, whether or not Deuteronomy 28 is about America (which it isn’t), at the end of the day, it really does not matter. Here’s why, even if Deuteronomy is speaking about the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade, it still doesn’t prove you, me or any individual Black/Africa American living today is an Israelite since it did not happen to us directly. First, one must prove that his paternal family line/tree goes back to one of the slave men on those ships. Then prove that man is from a tribe in Africa whose ancestral roots are from the tribes of Israel or at least believed to be. Many African nations were taken in the trans-Atlantic slave trade from all around Africa for more than 300 years, not just on the west coast, which also had many nations as well, and not all of them claim Hebraic/Jewish roots. To touch on your statement of the events being described in Deuteronomy being unique to AAs, look up what is stated in Septuagint LXX and Apocrypha (3 Maccabees 4). This story actually fits the Deuteronomy narrative better then the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Let me know of your findings.

 

[InfinateOpulance]

I cant find holes if your argument doesn't have ayny.



Thank you for telling me what my thread should REALLY be about. I will get right on that.

Look, if you don't like where this thread is heading you can leave just as quietly as you came.

I will read and respond as I see fit. 15 pages of back and forth. You will never be satisfied. It is what it is.

 

[DREAMZZZ]

I will read and respond as I see fit. 15 pages of back and forth. You will never be satisfied. It is what it is.

I still thank you for your participation.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Scientist do not state that the universe came from nothing, they state that we don't know the origins of the universe.

Is All the Universe From Nothing?​

A team from the Wuhan Institute of Physics and Mathematics in China has made the first rigorous mathematical proof that the Big Bang could have spontaneously generated from nothing.

The proof: [1404.1207] Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing
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Yes, in the grand scheme of things. On a cosmic or universal level, if there is no objective morality, then there is no true right or wrong. We have already established this. But like I said previously, just because our values don't matter objectively, doesn't mean they don't matter at all.

You misunderstand the argument. Objective moral values and duties cannot exist without an objective standard of reference. In order for SUBJECTIVE morals to exist, they must refer to OBJECTIVES or they are insufficient and/or meaningless......like a ruler with no numbers/marks on it.
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Yes, because subjective morality exists.

Only because OBJECTIVE moral values and duties exist.​

Who sets the moral standard?

If there is no 'G-d', then this question is meaningless as there can be no standard. If morals are ONLY subjective, as you claim yet disprove with every post, then nothing can be said to be 'right' 'wrong' 'good' or 'bad'.​

I specifically stated in the context of my reply. Good try though.

You stated nothing in your reply. Your first post asked people to share their reasons. The rest of your posts consist of telling people they have no reason to believe or strawmen.
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My opinions matter to me and anyone willing to engage in a debate with me.

Objectively, you and they matter about as much as a grain of salt or a fruit fly.
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Please, tell me what my world view is.

Let's not play games, shall we?​

 

[Everythingg]

Well since I literally rebut this whole narrative in my last reply, I will repost it here. I am just going to assume you didn't read it.

You didnt rebut anything. Where/how did you rebut the fact that blacks were taken to a place of enslavement to be oppressed like Deuteronomy 28 says? Where/how did you rebut the fact that blacks are the only people in modern times to have been hung on trees like Deuteronomy 21 says cursed people are? Where did you rebut the connection of ancient Egypt being black and Israel also being black by the way of the bible saying they could be mistaken for ancient Egyptians? Where/how did you rebut how these very same people, that fit ALL these things also lost knowledge of the heritage like the bible says would happen to the descendants of the Israelites in the future (in regards to when it was written)?

Your whole rebuttal consisted of "we dont know who they are individually" which is irrelevant because all that matters is the question of how a thousand year old book, got it down on the money of black Israelites (or black people in general) being taken to a place of enslavement on slave ships. THATS what you need to rebut. How the bible can be oh so connected to blacks but you cant connect it to any other group. Repeating yourself without actually stepping forward and rebutting the connections, shows that you dont have much on your side besides disbelief. If you want to argue about MY (as in PERSONAL) reason for believing in God, get to debunking... Otherwise, let it rest because its obvious you nor anyone else can debunk that which I have said.

 

[DREAMZZZ]

Is All the Universe From Nothing?

This study doesn't prove that creation of the universe came from nothing because what they claim to be “nothing” is a quantum vacuum with fluctuations.

Objective moral values and duties cannot exist without an objective standard of reference.

Who sets the moral standard? You cant say God does because there in no moral standard with which to apply to him. Also, saying God is moral because he says he is, is a circular argument.

Objectively, you and they matter about as much as a grain of salt or a fruit fly.

I've already acknowledged this like twenty times.

Let's not play games, shall we?

I'm not playing games, you said a statement I made was not aligned with my world view. I just assumed you would knew what my world was.

 

[DREAMZZZ]

You didnt rebut anything. Where/how did you rebut the fact that blacks were taken to a place of enslavement to be oppressed like Deuteronomy 28 says? Where/how did you rebut the fact that blacks are the only people in modern times to have been hung on trees like Deuteronomy 21 says cursed people are? Where did you rebut the connection of ancient Egypt being black and Israel also being black by the way of the bible saying they could be mistaken for ancient Egyptians? Where/how did you rebut how these very same people, that fit ALL these things also lost knowledge of the heritage like the bible says would happen to the descendants of the Israelites in the future (in regards to when it was written)?

Your whole rebuttal consisted of "we dont know who they are individually" which is irrelevant because all that matters is the question of how a thousand year old book, got it down on the money of black Israelites (or black people in general) being taken to a place of enslavement on slave ships. THATS what you need to rebut. How the bible can be oh so connected to blacks but you cant connect it to any other group. Repeating yourself without actually stepping forward and rebutting the connections, shows that you dont have much on your side besides disbelief. If you want to argue about MY (as in PERSONAL) reason for believing in God, get to debunking... Otherwise, let it rest because its obvious you nor anyone else can debunk that which I have said.

Ok, lets say that what you are saying is true, how does this prove that a God exists? A book that was written 2000 years ago has a passage in it that VAGUELY describes the trans atlantic slave trade would have what relevance to today? You cant says that the bible is a great source of prediction because of all of the failed ones I mentioned early. You cant says that God carried out this punishment on AAs because that would mean you would have to prove the connection with actually evidence. I already mentioned that not all of the slaves that were taken from Africa were Israelites. I've already stated that correlation does not imply causation. This by definition is a logical fallacy.

 

[Everythingg]

Ok, lets say that what you are saying is true, how does this prove that a God exists?

The better question is, why is there a group of cacs, claiming to be descendants of a group of people who were black? And why does the book that they say fit their ancestors, fit blacks in America moreso than any other group?

The thread doesnt ask for proof in God. It asked does (the reader) have a good reason to believe in God. Me being black, my reason is the fact that the ancestors of blacks in America being brought here on slaveships matches what the bible says would happen to the descendants of BLACK Israelites who we have no knowledge of their existence in modern times. While blacks in America have no knowledge of their heritage beyond slavery. And also while there are a group of cacs saying they descended from these black Israelites (that they of course do not say were black)... The rest of your post is irrelevant because it doesnt address the REASON Im referring to.

 

[the cac mamba]

No. I meant atheist. If morality is subjective, then 'right' and 'wrong' are just a matter of taste since no objective standard exists. As an example: The Holocaust wasn't wrong, you just don't like that it happened.
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or as another example; the holocaust wasn't wrong, because god just sit by and let it happen

 

[DREAMZZZ]

The better question is, why is there a group of cacs, claiming to be descendants of a group of people who were black? And why does the book that they say fit their ancestors, fit blacks in America moreso than any other group?

The thread doesnt ask for proof in God. It asked does (the reader) have a good reason to believe in God. Me being black, my reason is the fact that the ancestors of blacks in America being brought here on slaveships matches what the bible says would happen to the descendants of BLACK Israelites who we have no knowledge of their existence in modern times. While blacks in America have no knowledge of their heritage beyond slavery. And also while there are a group of cacs saying they descended from these black Israelites (that they of course do not say were black)... The rest of your post is irrelevant because it doesnt address the REASON Im referring to.

I really don't know what else to say. You haven't answered/addressed one question or rebuttal I posed to you. You cherry picked one passage out of the entire bible that vaguely describes something that happened in history and use that to fuel your belief. To each his on breh.

 

[Everythingg]

I really don't know what else to say.

Of course you dont. Which is why you dont want to keep it on what Im saying. This thread asks the individual what is a good reason to believe in God and I gave you my answer of the Israelites being black (since the Egyptians were) and the descendants of these BLACK Israelites not being known anywhere. Then when we have a cac group pretending to be descendants of blacks (the Jews), the question changes to WHY is this group pretending to be descendants of a black group? You dont want to address this so you keep trying to deflect my answer to the thread title, to something its not. Or about other verses in the bible

Deuteronomy 28 isnt vague at all. It says that the descendant of black Israelites would be taken to a place of enslavement. For blacks in America? Check. It says that the foreigner would move into their communities and push them to the bottom while they're at the head. For blacks in America? Check. Deuteronomy 21 says cursed is the people who are hung on trees. For blacks in America? Check. Its says they will have a wife but another man will lie with her, build a house, but another will live in it, and they'll plant but someone else will reap what they planted. For blacks in America (slavery)? Check, check, and check again. And all these things that are in the bible are speaking about the descendants of BLACK Israelites. Jeremiah 17:4 says the Israelites would lose knowledge of their heritage. For blacks in America (in regards to their heritage BEFORE slavery)? Check once again. Theres nothing vague about any of these things that can easily be connected to blacks but no other race/nationality of people. Its just that you just dont want to believe it.. Which is more of you problem than anything else. But as you said, to each their own and for my own, I'll follow this truth till it can be debunked. You've shown you're not capable of doing this...

 

[twowheelz]

I'm torn. I've prayed and experience d miracles from what I believe to be true, that God does exist. I have many unanswered questions and am thinking about returning to the church. I walked away over 20 years ago after religion was used as a weapon and my trust in God and fellow man almost destroyed.

 

[DREAMZZZ]

This thread asks the individual what is a good reason to believe in God

You fail to show how Deuteronomy 28 has anything to do with the proving the exists of God. Again, you cant use the bible to prove God.

hen when we have a cac group pretending to be descendants of blacks (the Jews), the question changes to WHY is this group pretending to be descendants of a black group?

Create your own thread on this subject and have a debate about it. How does this get you any closer to proving God?

Deuteronomy 28 isnt vague at all.

Below I have a list of the parts of Deuteronomy 28 you didn't mention for what ever reason. They don't really help your argument.

The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.
The Lord will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed.
The Lord will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured.
You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and rape her.
Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will eat none of it. Your donkey will be forcibly taken from you and will not be returned.
Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, and you will wear out your eyes watching for them day after day, powerless to lift a hand.
The Lord will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.
All these curses will come on you. They will pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the Lord your God and observe the commands and decrees he gave you.

P.S. It is not my job to debunk what you said. That is shifting the burden of proof. I will ask for the twentieth time, how does this prove God? Why is this a GOOD reason to believe God exists? How can you consciously ignore all of the other failed prophecies in the bible? Why should an atheist take any testimony from the bible as proof of God? Why are you so obsessed white Jews? Why did you ignore all of the other details of Deuteronomy 28? Why haven't you addressed the fact that all blacks that were in the slave trade weren't Jew? How did you rule out all other explanation for blacks position in the united states? Did you even bother to look at the passage of Septuagint LXX and Apocrypha (3 Maccabees 4)?