Do you have a good reason to believe in god?

[Everythingg]

I believed in God before I found this out, but I think a good reason for blacks who have ancestors who were brought to the Americas on slave ships, is that that experience (and more)matches what a 2000 year old book says would happen to the descendants of some lost "black" Israelites in the future. And since we know Egypt was "black" just as Kush and the ancient Ethiopians were, that means the Israelites or Jews were too. So it only makes sense that the experiences of blacks in America matching so much of what Deuteronomy 28 specifically says would happen to the descendants of Israel could only mean that they are the descendants, or at least closest descendants of the ancient Israelites or "Jews" the bible talks about.

Since no christian, priest, church, detractor of the bible, atheist, etc... can ever debunk this, I think its a good reason to believe in God. But thats just specifically for black people in America (and those that were dispersed elsewhere)...

 

[DREAMZZZ]

I believed in God before I found this out, but I think a good reason for blacks who have ancestors who were brought to the Americas on slave ships, is that that experience (and more)matches what a 2000 year old book says would happen to the descendants of some lost "black" Israelites in the future. And since we know Egypt was "black" just as Kush and the ancient Ethiopians were, that means the Israelites or Jews were too. So it only makes sense that the experiences of blacks in America matching so much of what Deuteronomy 28 specifically says would happen to the descendants of Israel could only mean that they are the descendants, or at least closest descendants of the ancient Israelites or "Jews" the bible talks about.

Since no christian, priest, church, detractor of the bible, atheist, etc... can ever debunk this, I think its a good reason to believe in God. But thats just specifically for black people in America (and those that were dispersed elsewhere)...

Ok......so since we are going the fulfilled prophecy route, what do you have to say about the prophecies that never came to be. Some examples, The Destruction of Tyre, The Egyptian Exile, The Non-Return of Jesus, and so on. It seems like you cherry picked one part of the bible you like that successfully convinces you that God exists. Also, you cant use the bible to prove God, that is a circular argument.

 

[Everythingg]

Ok......so since we are going the fulfilled prophecy route, what do you have to say about the prophecies that never came to be. Some examples, The Destruction of Tyre, The Egyptian Exile, The Non-Return of Jesus, and so on. It seems like you cherry picked one part of the bible you like that successfully convinces you that God exists. Also, you cant use the bible to prove God, that is a circular argument.

Like I said, it cant be debunked. That connection between the ancient Israelites being black (since Egypt was) and black people in the Americas matching what the bible says would happen to the descendants of the ancient Israelites (in Deuteronomy 28) is a good reason to believe in God.

Nothing more nothing less. If Im wrong about any of this, debunk it. Deflecting to other parts of the bible you dont understand isnt really relevant.

 

[DjBhaled]

there's no logical reason why i would feel the need to believe in god but i understand some people were raised in the church and that's what they identify with, only life experiences and time will change your opinion on things because i used to believe in god but nowadays I just don't subscribe to religious bullshyt i just feel it's divisive and it does more harm than good for the average person

 

[Won Won]

No

 

[DREAMZZZ]

Like I said, it cant be debunked. That connection between the ancient Israelites being black (since Egypt was) and black people in the Americas matching what the bible says would happen to the descendants of the ancient Israelites (in Deuteronomy 28) is a good reason to believe in God.

Nothing more nothing less. If Im wrong about any of this, debunk it. Deflecting to other parts of the bible you dont understand isnt really relevant.

Deuteronomy 28 lays out the rewards and punishments for serving or not serving God respectively. I guess what you are trying to say is, because black people are not in a position of power in America somehow that is a result of not worshipping God. Please correct me if I am wrong. If I am right, now what you have to do is show the connection of this bible passage to real life. Or better yet, show how the people that wrote the bible could possible have known this information. If you chose to reply and use the supernatural in your explanation, you will also have to demonstrate that there is a supernatural to begin with.

 

[DREAMZZZ]

there's no logical reason why i would feel the need to believe in god but i understand some people were raised in the church and that's what they identify with, only life experiences and time will change your opinion on things because i used to believe in god but nowadays I just don't subscribe to religious bullshyt i just feel it's divisive and it does more harm than good for the average person

Is there anything in particular that made you change your mind about being a theist.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

How did you rule out all of the other possible causes for creation of the universe?

Science. None of the other theories have usurped the creation ex nihilo of the 'Big Bang'​

No, we assign value to things all the time.

We don't matter so our values don't matter.​

To me, the things that I do in my life here and now has value to me.

Serial killers feel the same way.​

I don't need the idea of a God to stop me from doing something bad.

You misunderstand. There can BE no 'bad' or 'good' in a moral sense since that would require the existence of some objective standard to judge the difference.​

I don't need the idea of a God to give my life value.

Objectively, your life has no more value than a German Shepherd or a sprig of parsley.
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Whether something matters objectively or not doesn't (in the context that we are speaking in) matter to me.

This is false otherwise this thread wouldn't exist.
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Its is true that I don't believe my life objectively matters in the grand scheme of things and I am ok with that.

This is also false. You obviously do believe your life matters objectively. This is proven by your insistence that your opinion matters to perfect strangers over the Internet even though it is inconsistent with your worldview. You can be happy only if you are inconsistent. If you are consistent, you will not be happy.​

Are you? Or do you need a book that was written 2000 years ago (by people that know way less about the world then we know today) to give your life propose today?

Life can have no 'purpose' if it is the result of a chance accident and ends in death.​

P.S. Is slavery or human sacrifice moral?

If there is no 'G-d', then any answer is a waste of time since morality is subjective.

Me not caring much for either doesn't mean anyone else is obligated to feel the same.​

 

[Everythingg]

Deuteronomy 28 lays out the rewards and punishments for serving or not serving God respectively. I guess what you are trying to say is, because black people are not in a position of power in America somehow that is a result of not worshipping God. Please correct me if I am wrong. If I am right, now what you have to do is show the connection of this bible passage to real life. Or better yet, show how the people that wrote the bible could possible have known this information. If you chose to reply and use the supernatural in your explanation, you will also have to demonstrate that there is a supernatural to begin with.

They're in America because they do not worship God. But what do I have to prove? Do you disagree that ancient Egypt was black? The Kushytes? The Ethiopians? The ancient Israelites were said to look like all these groups, yet today, we see the modern "Jews" looking like cacs.

Deuteronomy 28's curses match the black experience in America to a T. From being brought to a place of bondage to be enslaved on SHIPS, to having foreigners come into their communities to reign over them... Its pretty much all there.

 

[DjBhaled]

Is there anything in particular that made you change your mind about being a theist.

just the whole blind faith aspect and the fact that most christians don't even follow the doctrine they claim they follow. They cherry pick the shyt they want to use and just say fukk the rest of the stuff

 

[DREAMZZZ]

They're in America because they do not worship God.

I believe that with our technological advances, blacks would have found their way out of Africa with or without Gods' punishment.

Do you disagree that ancient Egypt was black?

No I do not.

The ancient Israelites were said to look like all these groups, yet today, we see the modern "Jews" looking like cacs.

This could be its own thread!!!

From being brought to a place of bondage to be enslaved on SHIPS

The idea of ships or boats were well know in the world even before the bible was comprised.

Deuteronomy 28's curses match the black experience in America to a T

This is subjective, if you read the Deuteronomy 28 verbatim, it bears little resemblance to blacks in America today.

 

[DREAMZZZ]

Science. None of the other theories have usurped the creation ex nihilo of the 'Big Bang'

Scientist do not state that the universe came from nothing, they state that we don't know the origins of the universe. Big Band describes what happened after singularity. Also the way you stated your response would be considered an argument from ignorance.

We don't matter so our values don't matter.

Yes, in the grand scheme of things. On a cosmic or universal level, if there is no objective morality, then there is no true right or wrong. We have already established this. But like I said previously, just because our values don't matter objectively, doesn't mean they don't matter at all.

Serial killers feel the same way.

Yes, because subjective morality exists.

There can BE no 'bad' or 'good' in a moral sense since that would require the existence of some objective standard to judge the difference.

Who sets the moral standard? Who says that God’s opinion about morality is better than Satan’s opinion? The answer that God says God’s opinion is better is simply circular. The answer “might makes right” is a non sequitur, as is the unsubstantiated claim that being the creator conveys rights to dictate morality. Most theists response would be to argue that God’s nature is good, unfortunately we no objective standard of goodness against which to measure God’s nature. If we did have an objective standard of goodness to apply against God nature, this would beg the question as to what this objective standard is and where it came from, and so doesn’t begin to actually establish objective morality. And if there were this objective standard then we wouldn’t need God.

This is false otherwise this thread wouldn't exist.

I specifically stated in the context of my reply. Good try though.

You obviously do believe your life matters objectively. This is proven by your insistence that your opinion matters to perfect strangers over the Internet

My opinions matter to me and anyone willing to engage in a debate with me. I don't believe that I matter in the grand scheme of the universe or cosmos.

though it is inconsistent with your worldview

Please, tell me what my world view is.

 

[Everythingg]

I believe that with our technological advances, blacks would have found their way out of Africa with or without Gods' punishment.

Your belief (or mine for that matter)on what coulda/shoulda/woulda happened isnt relevant in regards to the topic. All thats relevant is that the bible says certain things would happen to the descendants of "black" Israel and these things ended up happening to "black" people of the Americas.

No I do not.

This could be its own thread!!!

It very well could be I guess. I dont think it has to be, unless you want to make one. The point is that Egypt as we both agree was black and the bible says that Israelites were mistaken for Egyptians time and time again. This shows that Israel, must have been black as well.

The idea of ships or boats were well know in the world even before the bible was comprised.

Not relevant. What is relevant is that the bible says that in the future (from when it was written) the descendants of Israel would be taken to a place of bondage/enslavement on ships. The only people this has happened to, is the blacks of America.

This is subjective, if you read the Deuteronomy 28 verbatim, it bears little resemblance to blacks in America today.

If you cant even agree that blacks were taken to a place of enslavement on ships like Deuteronomy 28 says the descendants of the ancient Israelites would be, then I do not see a point of me going line by line explaining it to you. You could just google it, but you might not even be black to care about this. That or your mind may be made up already. But just for kicks, I'll give you two more...

Deut 28
43 “The foreigner who is among you shall rise higher and higher above you, and you shall come down lower and lower. 44 He shall lend to you, but you shall not lend to him; he shall be the head, and you shall be the tail.

Go to ANY black hood, and you'll see Arabs/Asians running most of the businesses there. Rarely any black businesses. Why? Because its a curse.

Deuteronomy 21:23
His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance

Now who are MOST KNOWN for being hung on trees? Doesnt this ancient book say that he that is hanged is cursed by God? Who else has the comparable history that blacks have with being hung on trees? That also could say their people were taken somewhere to be enslaved on slave ships? That can also say they could have been mistaken for ancient Egyptians who we both agree were "black"? That could also say their people lost knowledge of their heritage (Jeremiah 17:4) like blacks can say they did concerning their history BEFORE slavery?

If its all BS, name ONE group that can fit all these scenarios that connect to what the bible says about the Israelites? You cant. Which is why, like I said, you cant debunk it so to me its a good reason to believe in God. For blacks at least...

 

[DREAMZZZ]

All thats relevant is that the bible says certain things would happen to the descendants of "black" Israel and these things ended up happening to "black" people of the Americas.

Causation does not equal correlation. Also, how did you rule out all of the possibilities that may have caused this.

OK....... where do I begin with Deuteronomy. Now, whether or not Deuteronomy 28 is about America (which it isn’t), at the end of the day, it really does not matter. Here’s why, even if Deuteronomy is speaking about the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade, it still doesn’t prove you, me or any individual Black/Africa American living today is an Israelite since it did not happen to us directly. First, one must prove that his paternal family line/tree goes back to one of the slave men on those ships. Then prove that man is from a tribe in Africa whose ancestral roots are from the tribes of Israel or at least believed to be. Many African nations were taken in the trans-Atlantic slave trade from all around Africa for more than 300 years, not just on the west coast, which also had many nations as well, and not all of them claim Hebraic/Jewish roots. To touch on your statement of the events being described in Deuteronomy being unique to AAs, look up what is stated in Septuagint LXX and Apocrypha (3 Maccabees 4). This story actually fits the Deuteronomy narrative better then the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Let me know of your findings.

 

[InfinateOpulance]

Ok......so since we are going the fulfilled prophecy route, what do you have to say about the prophecies that never came to be. Some examples, The Destruction of Tyre, The Egyptian Exile, The Non-Return of Jesus, and so on. It seems like you cherry picked one part of the bible you like that successfully convinces you that God exists. Also, you cant use the bible to prove God, that is a circular argument.

You will cherry pick and find holes in every response that doesn't fit what you are trying to prove.

You know there is a Supreme Being that created all of us, and all of this (universe,mankind). That's why your conscience won't let you put this topic down.

At this point, your thread has become an interesting debate, and not you whole heartedly seeking to know God which is what it should really be about.

If He's not real to you, then stop playing around wasting folks' time with endless questions.