Do you have a good reason to believe in god?

[InfinateOpulance]

this is ducktales, the heart doesn't store memories, and even if it did, it doesn't have any relevance to people suspending their critical thinking.
Most of what you said is woo that doesn't actually mean anything.

The heart can and does store memories. Working in the medical field, I've heard of a patient who received a heart transplant describe memories of a car wreck that they were never in. Turns out that the organ donor who supplied the heart to that patient was in a terrible car accident before dying.
The body produces all sorts of hormones and biochemicals in extreme states such as fear, anger, etc.

Do not underestimate the complexities of something you do not understand nor created.

 

[DREAMZZZ]

The problem is, atheists do not and cannot live happily and consistently while adhering to a worldview in which objective morality doesn't exist.

I think you meant theist in this statement. Most atheist understand that morality is subjective.

Objective morality cannot exist without an objective point of reference

True

The issue is that if 'G-d' does not exist, then human beings can have no 'purpose' since they are the accidental result of time + matter + chance. Accidents can have no 'purpose'.

Human beings can have whatever propose that we give ourselfs. Also, I am not saying that the creations of humans was by accident, that would reqire me to show proof to support that claim.

I'm saying that things that are not objective have no meaningful significance to anyone other than those who deem them significant.

This was exactly my point. Just because something is not objective doesn't mean that it doesn't matter.

Ultimately, you and the rest of the people of the Earth are meaningless. The Earth, itself, is meaningless. The Universe is meaningless.

Yes, maybe in the grand scheme of things this is true. But in the here and now, to us humans, what we do has value.

 

[DREAMZZZ]

Yeah but I'm not going to share them with you as you'd probably not believe them anyway.

Thanks for your participation anyway.

 

[DREAMZZZ]

It just boils down to the fact that people are happy to believe things that are either:

a) patently false.
b) where the thing's nature and actions are untestable e.g. 'he exists outside space and time', 'he can't be proven' etc
c) where they have no concept of the mechanics of the how this 'thing' even works.

The real question is why are people happy to suspend their critical faculties and place faith in something.

I agree. Another good question to ask theist is if they care about what they believe is true.

 

[Menelik II]

The heart can and does store memories. Working in the medical field, I've heard of a patient who received a heart transplant describe memories of a car wreck that they were never in. Turns out that the organ donor who supplied the heart to that patient was in a terrible car accident before dying.
The body produces all sorts of hormones and biochemicals in extreme states such as fear, anger, etc.

Do not underestimate the complexities of something you do not understand nor created.

This is the funniest post i've seen on the coli.

you need to stop watching sci-fi.

 

[blotter]

this is ducktales, the heart doesn't store memories, and even if it did, it doesn't have any relevance to people suspending their critical thinking.
Most of what you said is woo that doesn't actually mean anything.

That is your experience. I was answering the question you posed on faith. Just because your conditioning doesn't like that answer doesn't make it ducktales.

“The heart generates the largest electromagnetic field in the body. The electrical field as measured in an electrocardiogram (ECG) is about 60 times greater in amplitude than the brain waves recorded in an electroencephalogram (EEG).”

If that doesn't sit well with you then that's on you. If you think your consciousness is located somewhere vaguely in the middle of your skull, again that's your experience. Many cultures have taught the navel is the center of a human being. Many people approach life through their heart. Neither of those are dependent on suspending critical thinking. That you think it is an either or scenario is again your experience and conditioning showing.

 

[Menelik II]

That is your experience. I was answering the question you posed on faith. Just because your conditioning doesn't like that answer doesn't make it ducktales.

“The heart generates the largest electromagnetic field in the body. The electrical field as measured in an electrocardiogram (ECG) is about 60 times greater in amplitude than the brain waves recorded in an electroencephalogram (EEG).”

If that doesn't sit well with you then that's on you. If you think your consciousness is located somewhere vaguely in the middle of your skull, again that's your experience. Many cultures have taught the navel is the center of a human being.

again more waffle and claims. where did you address "the heart doesn't store memories"?

Many people approach life through their heart. Neither of those are dependent on suspending critical thinking. That you think it is an either or scenario is again your experience and conditioning showing.

again, what does that even mean? "Many people approach life through their heart"

wherever peoples consciousness comes from, even if it was the heart which it isn't, why would it have anything to do with why people lack critical thinking? Are you saying that thinking about God is processed in the heart and the heart can't think critically? the heart deals with faith?

 

[InfinateOpulance]

This is the funniest post i've seen on the coli.

you need to stop watching sci-fi.

You're not ready for this subject and neither is the OP.

 

[Menelik II]

You're not ready for this subject and neither is the OP.

If you would accept an extraordinary claim of hearts holding memories, without any solid evidence or explanation, it makes you susceptible to believing any claims like god.

 

[InfinateOpulance]

If you would accept an extraordinary claim of hearts holding memories, without any solid evidence or explanation, it makes you susceptible to believing any claims like god.

Ok

 

[Rekorb]

Mankind has to put down his pride,ego, and intellect in order to "see" God. Cleverly ironic if you ask me.

Whats even more ironic, I went full of pride, ego, and intellect when I started my Bible study.

The humble route just didn't appeal to me really.

Which route are you taking?

Just a warning the humble route is the safest, the more aggressive route causes you to go from a mysitcal stage, scrupples stage,to being spiritual. But the mystical stage is the most dangerous, and this is where people like Priests, Rabbis, Imans, and Pastors of lose their faith when they go thru seminary school. The scrupples stage is where a lot of people are stuck at and they never really reach the spiritual stage.

Paul Ricoeur calls this the Second Naivete.

Paul Ricoeur points out the un-packing of belief is easy, but packing it back onto yourself is where trouble can happen. The trouble comes in the form of doubt and confusion, even Christ went through this, so its the burden of the flesh. Which should make sense, because once you are in the after life you won't need the Bible.

@Chez Lopez @NightStone @the cac mamba
@m0rninggl0ry @Brown_Pride @timeless @LastDayze333DegreeDemigod @NoCones @the cac mamba @the cac mamba

 

[InfinateOpulance]

Whats even more ironic, I went full of pride, ego, and intellect when I started my Bible study.

The humble route just didn't appeal to me really.

Which route are you taking?

Just a warning the humble route is the safest, the more aggressive route causes you to go from a mysitcal stage, scrupples stage,to being spiritual. But the mystical stage is the most dangerous, and this is where people like Priests, Rabbis, Imans, and Pastors of lose their faith when they go thru seminary school. The scrupples stage is where a lot of people are stuck at and they never really reach the spiritual stage.

Paul Ricoeur calls this the Second Naivete.

Paul Ricoeur points out the un-packing of belief is easy, but packing it back onto yourself is where trouble can happen. The trouble comes in the form of doubt and confusion, even Christ went through this, so its the burden of the flesh. Which should make sense, because once you are in the after life you won't need the Bible.

@Chez Lopez @NightStone @the cac mamba
@m0rninggl0ry @Brown_Pride @timeless @LastDayze333DegreeDemigod @NoCones @the cac mamba @the cac mamba

The humble route doesn't appeal to most people. They make fun or dismiss what they don't understand or believe to be impossible. That can be seen all through out this thread and the other millions of threads attempting to make a myth out of God.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I think you meant theist in this statement. Most atheist understand that morality is subjective.

No. I meant atheist. If morality is subjective, then 'right' and 'wrong' are just a matter of taste since no objective standard exists. As an example: The Holocaust wasn't wrong, you just don't like that it happened.

As a further example: What Martin Luther King, Jr. did wasn't right, you just like that he did it.​

Human beings can have whatever propose that we give ourselfs.

Which ultimately doesn't matter since human beings (and the Universe) don't matter.​

Also, I am not saying that the creations of humans was by accident, that would reqire me to show proof to support that claim.

If there is no purpose to our existence (since there is no 'G-d'), then we, as well as the entire Universe, are nothing more than an accident. Accidents can have no purpose.
​

This was exactly my point. Just because something is not objective doesn't mean that it doesn't matter.

If something matters to YOU, it doesn't objectively matter since YOU don't objectively matter.​

Yes, maybe in the grand scheme of things this is true. But in the here and now, to us humans, what we do has value.

Humans have the same value as a blade of grass, a dog, or a rock. To assign value to human beings you'd have to have some objective standard by which they could be judged.

Since 'G-d' doesn't exist, there is no objective standard.​

 

[Rekorb]

The humble route doesn't appeal to most people. They make fun or dismiss what they don't understand or believe to be impossible. That can be seen all through out this thread and the other millions of threads attempting to make a myth out of God.

Which route are you taking? I did not take the humble route as you can tell.

I'm Christian, but for a good while I didn't know what faith and spirituality was about. It wasn't until I read the Bible, I fully understood faith and spirituality..

So I can relate to people that "dismiss what they don't understand or believe to be impossible" (using your own words)

 

[DREAMZZZ]

If morality is subjective, then 'right' and 'wrong' are just a matter of taste since no objective standard exists.

True

Which ultimately doesn't matter since human beings (and the Universe) don't matter.

True

If there is no purpose to our existence (since there is no 'G-d'), then we, as well as the entire Universe, are nothing more than an accident.

How did you rule out all of the other possible causes for creation of the universe?

If something matters to YOU, it doesn't objectively matter since YOU don't objectively matter.

True

Humans have the same value as a blade of grass, a dog, or a rock. To assign value to human beings you'd have to have some objective standard

No, we assign value to things all the time.

To me, the things that I do in my life here and now has value to me. I don't need the idea of a God to stop me from doing something bad. The people that I would hurt or the jail time I would receive from said actions would be enough. I don't need the idea of a God to give my life value. The interactions with my family and friends is enough for me. Whether something matters objectively or not doesn't (in the context that we are speaking in) matter to me. Its is true that I don't believe my life objectively matters in the grand scheme of things and I am ok with that. Are you? Or do you need a book that was written 2000 years ago (by people that know way less about the world then we know today) to give your life propose today?

P.S. Is slavery or human sacrifice moral?