Do you have a good reason to believe in god?

[twowheelz]

When a person is in bad shape or needing something to believe in other than the hell they have been in, they turn to God and need to believe in something. A relationship with God is extremely personal and really no one has the right to question why you believe. After 9-11, the amount of people returning to church jumped. People needed to know there was positive in the world despite the evil. Being torn about his existence, and wanting to believe again go hand in hand for me, but that's just where I am right now. I should have elaborated more.

 

[Everythingg]

You fail to show how Deuteronomy 28 has anything to do with the proving the exists of God.

You need to get over it breh. This thread doesnt ask for PROOF of God's existence. It asks for a good reason for belief in God. My answer was the fact that the ancient Israelites (since the Egyptians they were mistaken for were black) were black. So where are their descendants? Why are there cac Jews claiming to descend from people who were black? Then I went to the bible and showed it saying that the descendants of the black Israelites would be taken to a place of bondage for enslavement. Who else in modern times does that apply to? I showed the bible saying that cursed is the man that is hung on a tree. What other group in modern times has the history of being hung on trees other than blacks? Then I showed the bible saying that the descendants of Israel would lose knowledge of their heritage. Did blacks not lose knowledge of their heritage BEFORE slavery? Did they not get their names changed? Their cultures/language stripped? Then theres the part that says an iron yoke would be placed upon their necks. Did blacks not have iron yokes placed upon their necks in slavery?

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Like I said, I could easily go down all of Deuteronomy 28 and connect it to black people's experience here in America or over in Africa. But whats the point when you cant even address how these connections that I have already brought only seemingly connect with black people and black people alone? For something thats "vague" I sure havent seen you connect it to even ONE nationality in modern times. Only blacks can fit this many of the curses of this old book. Then you say Im "obsessed" with cac jews because I ask you how they descend from black Israelites? Or how the richest of them, say like the rocafellas, seem to have extreme amounts of power and even utilized said power to creation a nation state of "Israel"? Land that was promised in some book to black Iraelites while they tell us it was promised to their ancestors who are not black? Or even how some book about ancient BLACK Israelites who would eventually lose their heritage, somehow fits the experiences of black people in the Americas (thats more than the US btw) who lost knowledge of their heritage beyond slavery/colonialism? Breh, this is one of my "good reasons" for believing in God. If you dont think its a good reason, go down the list that I myself provided, and show why they dont connect with what Im connecting it to. Or even better, connect it to the cac Jews or whoever you say the true Jews are. You cant do that so you're in here deflecting asking me about other prophecies when the title of the thread ONLY asks for a good reason to believe in God. I've provided you that but you rather deny whats in front of you. If you're even black that is.

PS: You keep bringing up the book of Maccabees when that was a very short stay in Egypt. Nothing like Deuteronomy 28 points out...

 

[DREAMZZZ]

When a person is in bad shape or needing something to believe in other than the hell they have been in, they turn to God and need to believe in something. A relationship with God is extremely personal and really no one has the right to question why you believe. After 9-11, the amount of people returning to church jumped. People needed to know there was positive in the world despite the evil. Being torn about his existence, and wanting to believe again go hand in hand for me, but that's just where I am right now. I should have elaborated more.

Thank you for your perspective.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

or as another example; the holocaust wasn't wrong, because god just sit by and let it happen

Humans aided by science performed the Holocaust because the human victims had no objective value.

See how this works?​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

This study doesn't prove that creation of the universe came from nothing because what they claim to be “nothing” is a quantum vacuum with fluctuations.

Which proves you didn't read it as it did, indeed, come from nothing since there was no matter, space, or time prior to the Universe's existence. This is a red-herring and not worth discussing any further.
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Who sets the moral standard? You cant say God does because there in no moral standard with which to apply to him. Also, saying God is moral because he says he is, is a circular argument.

You misunderstand the argument. There IS no standard without 'G-d' and the argument doesn't posit 'G-d' as the initiator of morality but as the reason it is real. The argument is not circular, you just have an issue regarding the difference between moral ontology (reality) and moral epistemology (knowledge). If there is no 'G-d', that wouldn't interfere with an atheist's knowledge of moral values and duties.....they just wouldn't be real to him (ie, subjective)......as you keep affirming.​

I've already acknowledged this like twenty times.

You just don't believe it and you can't live your life that way. No human being can unless they are psychotic.​

I'm not playing games, you said a statement I made was not aligned with my world view. I just assumed you would knew what my world was.

I know exactly what your worldview is which is why I stated your views of morality are inconsistent with it. They have to be since you haven't carried them out to their logical conclusion. If you had, you wouldn't have made this thread.​

 

[DREAMZZZ]

Which proves you didn't read it as it did, indeed, come from nothing since there was no matter, space, or time prior to the Universe's existence.

I stated that scientist do not assert that the universe came from nothing. In response you linked a study that asserts the universe could have come from nothing by using an example of a vacuum in space with fluctuations. A quantum vacuum of space with fluctuations is very far from the nothing they are trying to convince you of.

There IS no standard without 'G-d'

How do you know this?

the argument doesn't posit 'G-d' as the initiator of morality but as the reason it is real.

Who or what is the initiator of morality. Also, how do you know this statement to be true? Does God do things because they are good, or are they good because God does them?

If there is no 'G-d', that wouldn't interfere with an atheist's knowledge of moral values and duties.....they just wouldn't be real to him (ie, subjective)......as you keep affirming.​

I don't really understand what you are saying here. Can you rephrase this for me to better understand?

You just don't believe it and you can't live your life that way. No human being can unless they are psychotic.

I have already stated multiple times that, objectively, I do not matter. Subjectively, even if this is only to myself and my family, I have value. These two things can co-exists. Objectivity and subjectivity can co-exists.

I know exactly what your worldview

Again, please tell me what my world view is.

They have to be since you haven't carried them out to their logical conclusion. If you had, you wouldn't have made this thread.

Explain.

 

[InfinateOpulance]

Thank you for your perspective.

Was that "perspective" a good enough reason to believe in God?
(reason is not the same as proof)

 

[DREAMZZZ]

Was that "perspective" a good enough reason to believe in God?
(reason is not the same as proof)

No

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

How do you know this?

Rulers with no numbers.​

Who or what is the initiator of morality.

Objective morality is not 'initiated' as it has no beginning. Subjective morality begins when a person gains knowledge and understanding of self.​

Also, how do you know this statement to be true? Does God do things because they are good, or are they good because God does them?

There can be no standard if each and every human has a 'ruler with no numbers'.

The Euthyphro Dilemma is not a true dilemma.
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I don't really understand what you are saying here. Can you rephrase this for me to better understand?

Can you explain why it is OBJECTIVELY wrong for Catholic Priests to sexually abuse little boys and the Church then cover it up if morality is ONLY subjective?​

I have already stated multiple times that, objectively, I do not matter. Subjectively, even if this is only to myself and my family, I have value. These two things can co-exists. Objectivity and subjectivity can co-exists.

You don't believe that you don't matter in either sense. Stating it isn't the same as believing it to be true and this is not worth further discussion.​

Again, please tell me what my world view is.

You've shown it quite well through your posts. No need to play games.
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Explain.

Atheists can ONLY have subjective moral values and duties since they have to be grounded in something material which is all that exists in their worldview.

If subjective moral values and duties are the only ones that exist, then NOTHING is 'right' or 'wrong', 'good' or 'evil'. Anything goes.​

 

[Marlostanfield.]

An enlightened soul knows all things in this world is God, but your ego is in the way which makes you see multiplicity, instead of seeing all things which is God.

Just as water can take on many forms, so can God.

 

[Kool...est]

When a person is in bad shape or needing something to believe in other than the hell they have been in, they turn to God and need to believe in something. A relationship with God is extremely personal and really no one has the right to question why you believe. After 9-11, the amount of people returning to church jumped. People needed to know there was positive in the world despite the evil. Being torn about his existence, and wanting to believe again go hand in hand for me, but that's just where I am right now. I should have elaborated more.

typical religious/God sheep mentality

 

[Marlostanfield.]

typical religious/God sheep mentality

Nothing sheep about that, if through the bad he became more self introspective he discover the God within

 

[Menelik II]

An enlightened soul knows all things in this world is God, but your ego is in the way which makes you see multiplicity, instead of seeing all things which is God.

Just as water can take on many forms, so can God.

i would agree with you apart water is detectable in all its forms, and god isn't detectable in any

 

[Marlostanfield.]

i would agree with you apart water is detectable in all its forms, and god isn't detectable in any

God cannot be seen by mortal eyes - Ancient Kemet book of the dead

Meaning to know God is to become one with him, meaning raise your level of consciousness

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I'm not going to respond any further to the questions posed since ALL of them have been answered elsewhere in more complete fashion and OP is not really being honest.........

Search | Reasonable Faith <-----Moral Argument

Search | Reasonable Faith <-----Universe from Nothing

Search | Reasonable Faith <-----Euthyphro Dilemma

Search | Reasonable Faith <-----Subjective Morality vs. Objective Morality

Start there and you'll find the answers you're looking for.

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