Religion/Spirituality Do you really believe in Karma?

Do you really believe in Karma?

  • Yes

    Votes: 31 36.9%
  • No

    Votes: 53 63.1%

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Good and evil is a concept that is used to manipulate the masses through karma, religion, etc. How can you measure how good or bad something is? There is no instrument to measure good or evil to an exact degree. Those terms are definable because humans created them, like the thousands of other words derived from human made concepts. Morality is a manmade invention just like the rest of these philosophies, albeit it is one of the more believable ones. Does the lion fear retribution for slaughtering a young gazelle? No my friend, because until humans came along, things were not right or wrong, they just were. There are very few actions that are inherently good or evil, it is all part of human beings desire to be compensated for their perceived "good" and punished for the "bad". Don't you ever wonder why the Abrahamic religions all cater to basic human desires, eternal justice, immortality, that we are the chosen ones?

Humans didn't create good and evil, they recognized those forces and labeled them accordingly. A lion may not fear retribution for slaughtering a gazelle, but a lioness will take care of and protect its young without having to be told to do so. That in itself is a form of morality, and it doesn't have to be taught, it just is. Just because humans are the only sentient beings to define and classify these laws according to the mental faculty that corresponds to our species doesn't mean we "created" them on our own.
 

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Humans didn't create good and evil, they recognized those forces and labeled them accordingly. A lion may not fear retribution for slaughtering a gazelle, but a lioness will take care of and protect its young without having to be told to do so. That in itself is a form of morality, and it doesn't have to be taught, it just is. Just because humans are the only sentient beings to define and classify these laws according to the mental faculty that corresponds to our species doesn't mean we "created" them on our own.
That is not morality son, that is protecting her genes so her species thrives. Show me a consistent example of good or evil existing outside of humanity.
 

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i don't think the universe views actions as "good" or "bad" necessarily. to the universe it's all energy. as simple as when you produce an electrical current you get a magnetic field, energetic action/energetic reaction, no judgment involved. the darkness and light serve the same purpose through different methods.

How do you measure this energy? What do you call it if it's not good or bad?
 

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Do you live your life with no regard for right and wrong?
No I don't, you're misconstruing my point. At the end of the day the way you acted will only matter to the people who knew you. How you treat others holds absolutely no significance on a cosmic scale. Karma, morality, religion, is all just humanity convincing ourselves that what we do actually matters.
 

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Good and evil is a concept that is used to manipulate the masses through karma, religion, etc. How can you measure how good or bad something is? There is no instrument to measure good or evil to an exact degree. Those terms are definable because humans created them, like the thousands of other words derived from human made concepts. Morality is a manmade invention just like the rest of these philosophies, albeit it is one of the more believable ones. Does the lion fear retribution for slaughtering a young gazelle? No my friend, because until humans came along, things were not right or wrong, they just were. There are very few actions that are inherently good or evil, it is all part of human beings desire to be compensated for their perceived "good" and punished for the "bad". Don't you ever wonder why the Abrahamic religions all cater to basic human desires, eternal justice, immortality, that we are the chosen ones?

the lion kills to eat and to live.

man kills because of ignorance.

big difference.

imo i think there are standards for "good" and "evil" that are recognized at every layer of creation. but certainly a lot of gray area too.
 

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That is not morality son, that is protecting her genes so her species thrives. Show me a consistent example of good or evil existing outside of humanity.


imo you dont find clear cut examples of good and evil in the animal world because of their level of consciousness. it's survive, eat, procreate, protect.

when we get into the complexity and capability of the human psyche is when we get into more concrete examples.

People don't need to believe in Karma or Religion to treat people good and be a nice person.

That's one of the greatest misconceptions on Earth but your still free to believe what you want.

thats not what he asked

No I don't, you're misconstruing my point. At the end of the day the way you acted will only matter to the people who knew you. How you treat others holds absolutely no significance on a cosmic scale. Karma, morality, religion, is all just humanity convincing ourselves that what we do actually matters.

lol as long as you know thats an opinion

How do you measure this energy? What do you call it if it's not good or bad?

measure what energy?

and "good/bad" are human terms. at its most fundamental level, good/bad is energy expressed as complimentary opposites that exist on an energetic spectrum that contains both extremes.

but as you saw with the khalil gibran quote there are many levels to this discussion.
 

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No I don't, you're misconstruing my point. At the end of the day the way you acted will only matter to the people who knew you. How you treat others holds absolutely no significance on a cosmic scale. Karma, morality, religion, is all just humanity convincing ourselves that what we do actually matters.

I find it hard to see what goes on in society and not agree with this 100%

And that's not to be pessimistic, just accepting life on earth for what it is.
 

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I find it hard to see what goes on in society and not agree with this 100%

And that's not to be pessimistic, just accepting life on earth for what it is.

please educate us about your knowledge of what happens on a cosmic scale...
 

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Karma only makes sense if you believe in reincarnation. Even the Buddhists, Hindus and other religions that believe in karma say you can't actually see its effect in one lifetime. It stands in for the mysterious will of god, at least for Buddhism, in my opinion.
 
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