jilla82
Veteran
Trump is going to win the election period...it is what it is 
Do you think Trump will win Michigan again?
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Formerly Black Trash
Philosopher, Connoisseur, Future Legend
No one knowsTrump is going to win the election period...it is what it is
jilla82
Veteran
of course.
but, there is no real reason for people to vote him out...
...last time it happened was Bush #1, and he was working against a bad economy and "no new taxes").
I know me saying "people have no reason to vote him out" sounds crazy to those who only deal with people on the left...
...but most people arent freaking out about everything in the news...
...and there is still a pushback going on in terms of cancel culture aswell the cultural shift that goes along with it.
If Biden doesnt get the bid, Dems are toast.
We showing out this time don’t worry about us 
NaijaProdigy Redux
Veteran
I don’t trust the average American to vote in their best interest
The's self-defeatist comments claiming Trump will win no matter what blow my mind.
In 2016 Trump was running against one of the least liked Democrats ever, who ran a terrible campaign, a ton of people stayed home, and he still won by such tight margins that it was a complete toss-up on election day and shyt like the weather on the lakes might have decided the race.
Since then there is very little evidence that Trump has increased his base, the Democrats are more invigorated, their candidate will be better liked, and y'all forget that every four years that go by is four years of more old white people dying and young black and brown people turning 18.
There's not any margin for complacency, but Trump is definitely the underdog in 2020. Anyone who claims 10 months before the race that they know what's gonna happen when the candidate ain't even set is talking out their ass.
In 2016 Trump was running against one of the least liked Democrats ever, who ran a terrible campaign, a ton of people stayed home, and he still won by such tight margins that it was a complete toss-up on election day and shyt like the weather on the lakes might have decided the race.
Since then there is very little evidence that Trump has increased his base, the Democrats are more invigorated, their candidate will be better liked, and y'all forget that every four years that go by is four years of more old white people dying and young black and brown people turning 18.
There's not any margin for complacency, but Trump is definitely the underdog in 2020. Anyone who claims 10 months before the race that they know what's gonna happen when the candidate ain't even set is talking out their ass.
People are scared rightfully so.. Who am I to have faith in the toothless broke CACs in “Middle America” but I just can’t see after ALL the shyt this dumb ass has pulled.. All the lies.. Now he talkin bout cutting Medicare and Social Security that he gonna get re elected I just can’t see it. I could be wrong of course but this level of fakkitry and dumbassery that he’s pulled it won’t go ignored he gettin voted out
Those fukkin farmers are getting fukked by this guy it’s ridiculous
ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
The Democratic Party is not united
If Biden wins, the youth that Obama rode to victory will not show up
If Bernie wins, the people who think Bernie is a crazy lefty will not show up
If Liz wins, there are men out there who will legit not vote for her because she's a woman even though her ideas will make their lives better
Everyone else has no shot and I'm fairly certain that two of the three mentioned don't have the balls to pick one as a VP in order to bring the party together.
It's like what's going on in the UK breh...people are comfortable and don't realize the seriousness of the situation
The President's lawyer went before the United States Senate and told the WORLD that the President can do whatever he wants if he believes it's in the best interest of the country.
And the country collectively shrugged its shoulders
The Democratic Party is not united
If Biden wins, the youth that Obama rode to victory will not show up
If Bernie wins, the people who think Bernie is a crazy lefty will not show up
If Liz wins, there are men out there who will legit not vote for her because she's a woman even though her ideas will make their lives better
Everyone else has no shot and I'm fairly certain that two of the three mentioned don't have the balls to pick one as a VP in order to bring the party together.
It's like what's going on in the UK breh...people are comfortable and don't realize the seriousness of the situation
The President's lawyer went before the United States Senate and told the WORLD that the President can do whatever he wants if he believes it's in the best interest of the country.
And the country collectively shrugged its shoulders
We not the UK breh... there's no BREXIT.
And Trump is unpopular.
Your point on the Dems not being united is true but amongst the top tier, Bernie is the only one who has the organization and enthusiasm on the Dem side that hasn't been seen since the Obama campaign in 2008. The amount of volunteers is insane.
Reality Check
Keepin' it 100
Surprised it took over 30 posts to point out the bolded. Hilary Clinton is toxic to most people and there is no one running on the democratic side who has that much toxicity. Trump won by something around 100,000 votes in those three states combined (Hillary electing not to campaign heavily in those states until too late is an issue in itself) and since the 2016 election, both Wisconsin and Michigan have voted in Democratic governors. The highly touted Foxconn project in Wisconsin that Trump and Walker repeatedly praised has been a bust so far (NPR Choice page) and Trump has done more to alienate those who voted for him than try to increase the base of people to vote for him.
There is no Hillary Clinton-like person this year (Biden for all his faults is nowhere near as hated as Hillary) and 2018 should have been a wake-up call for Trump to try expanding his base a bit, which he decided wasn't in his best interest as he's continued to play the hits instead.
Obama dropped from a 7-point win to a 1.5-point win and that was with Romney running an awful campaign with a joke of a VP.
Bush only won by a single state (flip Ohio's 2% victory and he loses) and that's with 9/11 sentiments still carrying him and Iraq War not quite having turned into a disaster yet.
The Democratic Party has never been united. 15% of Clinton voters switched sides and went for McCain in 2008, and people have estimated that racism cost Obama something like 6% of his voters....and he still won in a landslide. The demographics are even better for the dems now than they were then.The Democratic Party is not united
If Biden wins, the youth that Obama rode to victory will not show up
If Bernie wins, the people who think Bernie is a crazy lefty will not show up
If Liz wins, there are men out there who will legit not vote for her because she's a woman even though her ideas will make their lives better
Everyone else has no shot and I'm fairly certain that two of the three mentioned don't have the balls to pick one as a VP in order to bring the party together.
It's like what's going on in the UK breh...people are comfortable and don't realize the seriousness of the situation
The President's lawyer went before the United States Senate and told the WORLD that the President can do whatever he wants if he believes it's in the best interest of the country.
And the country collectively shrugged its shoulders
The demographics overwhelmingly favor the Democrats, they can drop multiple groups and still win just so long as they get turnout. Sanders polls fantastic among independents and young people and has huge energy among his base, if he gets the nomination that energy is going to carry him even if some fence-sitting dems jump off. Biden is considered a "safe" bet by conservative and old dems, if he gets the nomination he'll win due to his margin among traditional voters along even if the young people and liberals stay home. Warren is a tougher one, I think if she runs it's likely a toss-up, but she's not an automatic L.
And I don't know why you're stressing VPs, they don't matter like you think they do. Sanders would be dumb to pick a conservative VP to "unite the party" cause no one sitting home for Sanders is gonna be switched on by his VP. Sanders is undoubtedly gonna pick a younger woman, and women are suddenly gonna remember that we STILL have not had a female VP in this country even if they ain't getting a female prez with him.
What makes you think Biden (or whoever) won't be as disliked as Hillary by November?
Once they know who will win, the right is going to go full-stop on attacks. Let's not forget Hillary was popular once upon a time.
Reality Check
Keepin' it 100
Hillary is on her own level of toxicity. Been that way since Bill Clinton was first elected president. Repubs for whatever reason have a massive vendetta against her.
I think Trump is going to win Wisconsin, lose Michigan and Pennsylvania is too tough to call.