Does kendrick have a track touchin Lupe "MURAL"

[SunZoo]

So that has nothing to do with the main topic of the thread lol.

The question was does kendrick have a song as lyrically sharp as “mural”, not who makes the most connecting song. We already know most lyrical songs dont connect these days in this current climate.

And once again, Lupe has songs where he’s not trying to be a super rapper. Mural is just bar flexing. Im pretty sure Lupe knew making a nearly 10 minute freestyle record with no hook wasnt going to be a smash hit. Its just the fact that the nikka is even capable of doing it is the point.


We know kendrick can gloat being the best and name drop people in control, but we arent sure if he can do a mural.

I am pretty sure he can't lol

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Of course Kendrick don't got a mural type record, he don't got wordplay like that.

I can flip words like Lupe but I ain't writing a 7 minute flex piece fukk outta here

 

[TheNig]

Mural Jr is better

Absolutely not....

But Mural Jr is heat.

 

[Guvnor]

So that has nothing to do with the main topic of the thread lol.

The question was does kendrick have a song as lyrically sharp as “mural”, not who makes the most connecting song. We already know most lyrical songs dont connect these days in this current climate.

And once again, Lupe has songs where he’s not trying to be a super rapper. Mural is just bar flexing. Im pretty sure Lupe knew making a nearly 10 minute freestyle record with no hook wasnt going to be a smash hit. Its just the fact that the nikka is even capable of doing it is the point.


We know kendrick can gloat being the best and name drop people in control, but we arent sure if he can do a mural.

My point was he doesn't make those songs better then Kendrick. He has his fair share of great songs that do that like hiphop Saved my life but he can't do what Kendrick does either

With that said, I do think he has it in him but why would he do it?

 

[High quality poster]

My point was he doesn't make those songs better then Kendrick. He has his fair share of great songs that do that like hiphop Saved my life but he can't do what Kendrick does either

With that said, I do think he has it in him but why would he do it?

Kendrick Lamar is a better artist than Lupe plain and simple. Lupe fans are also very insecure about Kendrick for some strange reason, damn near every single Lupe thread in here is about how he does something better than Kendrick lol. I like Lupe but he fits the “put a nikka to sleep” narrative more than Cole.

 

[obarth]

I guess the point Lupe stans are making is that Kendrick Lamar isn't capable of making a song like Failure, Lupe the Killer, Dumb It Down, SLR, Mural or Mural Jr, Poor Decision verse, Theme Music to a Drive By, Game Time etc etc etc... you get the point.

And that's why there will always be nikkas that feel like Lupe is the better RAPPER. Key word, rapper, not artist. So yeah, we all know Kendrick is capable of making emotion inflicting powerful songs, highlighting his storytelling abilities... but so can Lupe. Which I think is the point that is being missed in all this.

I was a Lupe stan once upon a time and he doesn't have a Sing About Me/Dying of Thirst, Kiesha's Song. He doesn't have an album musically on par with To Pimp a Butterfly. I'd actually put Food & Liquor and The Cool over Damn and possibly equal to or better than Good Kid Maad City. I agree 100% that Kendrick is not as good at rhyming words as Lupe is. Few rappers ever are. Lupe isn't nor has ever been the artist Kendrick has proven to be since Section.80. Lupe has some tracks that can conjure emotion (He Say She Say, Hurt Me Soul, etc) but his music comes no where to spanning the range of emotions that Kendrick's music does. Kendrick has proven to be more versatile as well.

Now that sounds general as hell, right? So does this pointless parsing of rapper vs. artist. I disagree that Lupe is a better rapper. I wouldn't even call him a better lyricist. Lupe is definitely the far more complex lyricist though( i.e "rhyming words together"). This actually goes hand in hand with you bringing up Nas. Nas stans think Nas is a better lyricist than Jay. Jay stans think the opposite. Same goes for Pac vs Big. One camp values, similes, metaphors, alliteration, etc, aka the style that's heavier in the poetic elements while the other side says their artist is more "poetic" even though they're not actually getting "bars" but more so prose with straightforward yet effective lyrics that aren't heavy on quotables but is powerful as an overall piece of work. I'm not quoting Nas bars, I'm quoting verses. Same with Kendrick, same with Pac. Whereas I'm quoting a slick simile or double entendre, or metaphor from Jay, or Biggie, or Lupe. That's not to say that the rappers named can't do both. They're all rapping. It's not one or the other. So to say the ability to make a "Murals" makes one a better rapper than the other is a fallacy.

I know this is going to lead to a long ass back and forth and I'm really far more interested in this turkey and getting my drink on, but fukk it

Edit:
I saw this thread upped and realized I never pressed send yesterday

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

I was a Lupe stan once upon a time and he doesn't have a Sing About Me/Dying of Thirst, Kiesha's Song. He doesn't have an album musically on par with To Pimp a Butterfly. I'd actually put Food & Liquor and The Cool over Damn and possibly equal to or better than Good Kid Maad City. I agree 100% that Kendrick is not as good at rhyming words as Lupe is. Few rappers ever are. Lupe isn't nor has ever been the artist Kendrick has proven to be since Section.80. Lupe has some tracks that can conjure emotion (He Say She Say, Hurt Me Soul, etc) but his music comes no where to spanning the range of emotions that Kendrick's music does. Kendrick has proven to be more versatile as well.

Now that sounds general as hell, right? So does this pointless parsing of rapper vs. artist. I disagree that Lupe is a better rapper. I wouldn't even call him a better lyricist. Lupe is definitely the far more complex lyricist though( i.e "rhyming words together"). This actually goes hand in hand with you bringing up Nas. Nas stans think Nas is a better lyricist than Jay. Jay stans think the opposite. Same goes for Pac vs Big. One camp values, similes, metaphors, alliteration, etc, aka the style that's heavier in the poetic elements while the other side says their artist is more "poetic" even though they're not actually getting "bars" but more so prose with straightforward yet effective lyrics that aren't heavy on quotables but is powerful as an overall piece of work. I'm not quoting Nas bars, I'm quoting verses. Same with Kendrick, same with Pac. Whereas I'm quoting a slick simile or double entendre, or metaphor from Jay, or Biggie, or Lupe. That's not to say that the rappers named can't do both. They're all rapping. It's not one or the other. So to say the ability to make a "Murals" makes one a better rapper than the other is a fallacy.

I know this is going to lead to a long ass back and forth and I'm really far more interested in this turkey and getting my drink on, but fukk it

Edit:
I saw this thread upped and realized I never pressed send yesterday

And then there's the nikkas who have both

 

[Dboy41]

My point was he doesn't make those songs better then Kendrick. He has his fair share of great songs that do that like hiphop Saved my life but he can't do what Kendrick does either

With that said, I do think he has it in him but why would he do it?

what can kendrick do that Lupe cant? All kendrick does musically is just take Lupe’s topics and simplifies the lyrics and adds in some weird ass voices.

 

[Dboy41]

Kendrick Lamar is a better artist than Lupe plain and simple. Lupe fans are also very insecure about Kendrick for some strange reason, damn near every single Lupe thread in here is about how he does something better than Kendrick lol. I like Lupe but he fits the “put a nikka to sleep” narrative more than Cole.

People say kendrick lamar is just as boring as cole though, lol.

And he isnt a better artist. Kendrick just has LABEL SUPPORT, a budget supplied by cacs, and dr dre in his corner. Which isnt a bad thing but kendrick has more tools and resources in his favor.

 

[Guvnor]

what can kendrick do that Lupe cant? All kendrick does musically is just take Lupe’s topics and simplifies the lyrics and adds in some weird ass voices.

He makes music that is conscious but connects with the people better then Lupe can, especially at this point. He is a better song writer, take it from me, a big Lupe fan who thinks Food and Liquor is one of the best albums ever created.

I loved Tetsuo and Youth as well but i have to be objective.

 

[Dboy41]

He makes music that is conscious but connects with the people better then Lupe can, especially at this point. He is a better song writer, take it from me, a big Lupe fan who thinks Food and Liquor is one of the best albums ever created.

I loved Tetsuo and Youth as well but i have to be objective.

Thats because Kendrick makes music for the radio intentionally, especially with him being on a major label.

Lupe can and has done the same shyt. Show goes on? bytch bad? Hip hop saved my life? Superstar? Lupe is fully capable of doing the same things, thats just not his style.

There’s a difference between being unable to do something and just not choosing to do it.

We’ve seen Lupe” connecting with the people” with concious records before in the vain of kendrick. He just prefers to be abstract.

We’ve never seen Kendrick be as abstract as Lupe. Thats the main point of the argument here.

 

[Guvnor]

Thats because Kendrick makes music for the radio intentionally, especially with him being on a major label.

Lupe can and has done the same shyt. Show goes on? bytch bad? Hip hop saved my life? Superstar? Lupe is fully capable of doing the same things, thats just not his style.

There’s a difference between being unable to do something and just not choosing to do it.

We’ve seen Lupe” connecting with the people” with concious records before in the vain of kendrick. He just prefers to be abstract.

We’ve never seen Kendrick be as abstract as Lupe. Thats the main point of the argument here.

Show Goes On and Bytch Bad? Cmon breh, who you think you talking too? Those two are not touching Kendrick's song writing ability and the other two songs are his biggest songs to date and he made them many many years ago. He couldn't do that again if he tried if you're asking me.

Another point I want to make is that I'm not just talking about hits but song writing. Even when you look at the way Kendrick does his story telling, it's a gift he has. The way his albums are constructed with a theme from beginning to end is something he also executes better then Lupe who is hit or miss with that imo.

Just like you are saying commercial success is not Lupe's style, doing rappity rap is not Kendrick's style. He probably could do it cause if you hear Rigamortis, his 6 foot 7 Freestyle and Look Out for Detox he flexes that muscle but why do that when it's not gonna make no big money, it's not gonna connect with the people and you are a big time artist.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Lupe stans are so fukking pathetic, nerdy, and delusional it's pathetic. I can now say they are the worst stans on the Coli. Yes, even worse than Drake and Kobe Bryant stans.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Any Lupe thread quickly turns into a Kendrick bashing thread because Lupe's nerdy stans absolutely detest that a better rapper and MC than Lupe makes music that is more critically acclaimed and commercially successful. It kills them. And they are so far removed from reality you always will see in a Lupe thread some of the most outlandish shyt you'll see on the Coli in whatever particular week you viewed the thread. There's geeks in here calling Lupe the most creative storyteller ever. One other thread had dudes calling Drogas this generation's Supreme Clientele. fukking weirdos.

 

[TheObserver]

Off the top of my head

Joe Budden - Dumb Out
Canibus - Poet Laureate II
Kool G. Rap - Men At Work

There's a couple more but not many

That PL2 was