HandyWithTheSteel
Superstar
Phil Jackson always wins in the end.
Does Phil Jackson deserve credit for the Knicks current success.....
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Absolutely not. Drafting porzingis was the only thing he did right. Everything else he did was a joke
Hiring Derek fisher and forcing the triangle offense with no legitimate bigs was never gonna work. But trying to put together a half-ass contender last year with the corpses of Rose and Noah and failing as badly as he did is why his tenure was a complete failure. He tried his hardest to win with them and won 31 games....
Hiring Derek fisher and forcing the triangle offense with no legitimate bigs was never gonna work. But trying to put together a half-ass contender last year with the corpses of Rose and Noah and failing as badly as he did is why his tenure was a complete failure. He tried his hardest to win with them and won 31 games....
a team wins 6 out of its first 10 games of an 82 game season and yall make threads talking about "current success"
Iirc they started out better last season. Maybe phil deserved credit for their "past success" too
Devil Plisken…CMS
Veteran
The boss deserves some credit but it is was really his staff who did all the heavy lifting!!!
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astrologybrother
Pro
1)The triangle works, breh. Popovich runs a similar motion offense like the triangle. I guarantee you if Popovich was in the same position as Phil, knicks fans would be just as frustrated...it's a process to build a winning culture in a city that hasn't won a championship in like 40 years. Popovich has a similar management style like phil, he doesn't do well with dudes who don't check their egos (I.e Stephen Jackson) . So him and Melo were bound to clash.
2)That summer teams were overpaying for mediocre players and Noah the year before was still a good rebounding defense-minded big. In the context of that summer that contract is forgivable.
KENT BAZEMORE: 4 years, $70 million with Hawks
BISMACK BIYOMBO: 4 years, $72 million with Magic
RYAN ANDERSON: 4 years, $80 million with Rockets
TIMOFEY MOZGOV: 4 years, $64 million with Lakers
I agree the triangle can work but not with the Knicks roster. If we had more team leadership, cerebral and veteran players it may have worked. Derek Fisher couldn't even get it to work.
If Noah stas healthy, he would have facilitated the triangle because he fits the criteria of what I spoke about before.
Based on the choices you listed I would have taken Biyambo based on durability and size. Glad they got Kanter tho.
Blame Phil for Dolan not throwing that NYC cash at Kerr.......
Phil tried to help this bum ass franchise from the start
Blame Phil for Dolan not throwing that NYC cash at Kerr.......
Phil tried to help this bum ass franchise from the start
Oh I agree with you on that for sure. At the time, i made fun of them for thinking 4/16 was too much for Kerr, but then shelling out 5/25 for fisher's ass
First sign that if he aint get what he want that he'll be on his sabo shyt.....
Anybody who blames Phil, when he did nothing but try to make this shyt franchise a winning one doesn't know shyt about basketball........
Youhadasparkwhenustarted
Superstar
He hired great scouts(Thankfully Gaines stuck around), but was terrible in every other facet of his job. terrible signings that made no sense, archaic offense, refusal to adapt, shytty front office signings, meddlesome, and on top of being shytty he decided to be a negative and controversial figure on top of it. He did one thing well, and was either gonna undo it by trading KP away, or alienating him to the point where he doesn't re-up here in a couple of years. Also, fukk out of here with the "he was forced to sign Melo and give him a ntc!" and " He was just trying to teach KP a lesson by putting him on the trade block!". Must be nice to have built in excuse every time you fukk up because you have the mystique of being "zen-like" and "wise", and still be able to take all of the credit when things go right.
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
The triangle has only worked twice in the NBA.
Shaq/Kobe and Pippen/Jordan.
generational talents
I won't blame him for the entire thing, but he's definitely not immune from criticism after the Noah contract and the Rose trade
HandyWithTheSteel
Superstar
astrologybrother
Pro
Yes and Very true. It's not a gimmick offense but needs explosive players to make it work.
How can Noah and Rose be tacked on to Phils jacket when they were in win now mode with a player he didnt give a fukk about and shytted on every chance he got
GetInTheTruck
Member
That's not really an excuse though....the media and everyone else was waiting for melo to go to Chicago so they could shyt on Phil for losing him. Now they shytting on him for signing him. How convenient.
Yeah phil's antics behind the scenes were too much and he deserved to get fired, but the vitriol directed his way was exaggerated.
And the asking price for KP was mad unrealistic, on purpose. Nobody believed he was really on the block like that except for the internet.