Does the Talmud ACTUALLY say that?

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I’ll never express some of the alternate interpretations or theories I have. :youngsabo:

why is that, your rep isnt exactly close to positive so what do you have to lose posting what you think on a message board? this is not meant as an attack on your rep :yayo:
I like to go hard at the Muslims though and I’m really trying to move away from that angle because it’s no point in “beating a dead horse” and i even feel bad for them. Islam as a religion today is 99% a joke.

That said, I think Islam began as the result of the kinda “religion for dummies” approach to teaching Judaism and Christianity to Arabs with a lot lost in translation and the lack of proper leadership.
i think that if you remember that they self proclaim: "We are the religion of Abraham"

they are imagining if they were in Abraham's shoes that is how they would perceive religion.

just a thought
I’m not sure if Jewish people read the gospels and letter of Paul however :jbhmm:
Paul's letters were written for greek churches that had just learned about Judaism and Jesus Christ and his letters should be interpreted with that lense

so the other idea (that im sure you've thought of) is what was a greek church like before a jewish lense and the gospel of Jesus Christ?


But regarding Muslims, I stand by the belief that without a proper foundation and understanding of the “Torah & Injeel”, you can literally come up with ANY interpretation from the Quran to the point that it’s no more than a book of Arab philosophy/spirituality.

I know this is far off topic, not to derail the original purpose of this thread . :manny:
if your goal is to win arguments vs individual muslims, i dont see how either side comes to an agreeable situation

IE remember religion of Abraham.

To the Muslim. They are like Abraham, but you are like Haran (fire that never believes vs fire that always believes)
 

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You’re thinking of `Esav’s grandson K'naz ben Elіfaz (B'reshіt 36:11), one of Edοm’s chieftains (B'reshіt 36:15), an entirely different individual.

The K'naz in Y'hοshu`a is `Οtnіyel’s father (15:17), Kalev’s stepfather (14:6,14) and direct descendant of the royal line Y'hudah (D.H Alef 4:13).
dog's steppefather :yayo:

another reason i maintain Jerusalem is a foreign entity


 
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