Drake the top streaming artist for the year, 2pac number 65.

[Piff Perkins]

Never knew Kevin Gates was this popular…..

Start fukking hood white girls, you'll see. Trust me.

 

[NZA]

im just surprised by $uicideboy$

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I look at crossover as crossover. And yeah, The Black community was the bread and butter was the Black community more so than Ashanti. I don't even see how that's even an argument. Ashanti, Alicia, and Beyonce are all R&B acts that crossed over and went Pop while still maintaining a largely Black audience.

I'm not trying to keep Summer down a level. I'm telling you Summer hasn't crossed over the way those three women did. She, as you out it, is pretty much where Keyshia Cole was. I conceded to that. Keyshia was never crossover. She was an R&B artist that was huge in the R&B realm that never really crossed over into the Pop world. That was ALL I was saying with the Amerie comparison. It was taken as a slight because ya'll see Summer as something bigger. She's not Ashanti or Alicia status and there is nothing at all wrong with that.

ehh, she's very much ashanti status. like i added to my last post, don't let ashanti being part of the TLR era where her features on radio friendly rap songs got her some top 40 play, ashanti the solo artist was at the top of the r&b game, not a pop star, but that's when r&b was still strong enough to chart high on r&b and the main charts. summer is at the top of the r&b game, and if we were in the same centralized climate as 2002 when rappers wanted singers on their hooks, and when r&b had a much higher ceiling, she'd have the same [minimal] notoriety amongst the white/pop crowd ashanti got for singing on ja rule songs


edit: if you take sales/charts out of it, because they are in different climates, and simply look at ashanti's stature to r&b, summer has that same stature. she's at the top of the genre and has her generation on lock. if people still consumed music the same, she's in the CD deck/disc man of every black high school and college girl the way ashanti was in 02-04. amerie was not that

 

[JustCKing]

Bruh...Michael Jackson is on here...Coldplay.... ....Usher......Beyonce.....all of their music has great replay value.....and that's why it's heavily streamed....the only thing you said about Jay Z is that he hasn't recently dropped an album but that's juelzing......Pac been dead since my senior year of high school and he is on this list....you would think that supposed King of NY would be on here but for some reason he isn't....then you brought streaming platforms....Jay Z has albums on Spotify and Apple......what other excuses are you going to use??....

Biggie isn't on there either and Life After Death is also one of the most streamed albums of the 90's.

Jay Z was never Pac and even now Pac is still bigger than Jay Z.

It isn't an excuse.

I still find it funny that you are still singling out Jay Z.

No one:

You: Why isn't Jay Z on the list?

 

[West Coast Avenger]

Biggie isn't on there either and Life After Death is also one of the most streamed albums of the 90's.

Jay Z was never Pac and even now Pac is still bigger than Jay Z.

It isn't an excuse.

I still find it funny that you are still singling out Jay Z.

No one:

You: Why isn't Jay Z on the list?

Then why do you keep entertaining my conversation??..... .....Biggie doesn't have enough material....Jay Z does....

 

[A Tribe Called Quest ™]

of the top 20, there are only 5 people who i pulled up songs/projects from as the lead artist this year... and proud of it


and yall told me travis scott is a star, how he way down in the 50's?

Who is ever going to debate that Travis is not a star lmao? He’s damn near a superstar cmon brehette do better

 

[JustCKing]

ehh, she's very much ashanti status. like i added to my last post, don't let ashanti being part of the TLR era where her features on radio friendly rap songs got her some top 40 play, ashanti the solo artist was at the top of the r&b game, not a pop star, but that's when r&b was still strong enough to chart high on r&b and the main charts. summer is at the top of the r&b game, and if we were in the same centralized climate as 2002 when rappers wanted singers on their hooks, and when r&b had a much higher ceiling, she'd have the same [minimal] notoriety amongst the white/pop crowd ashanti got for singing on ja rule songs


edit: if you take sales/charts out of it, because they are in different climates, and simply look at ashanti's stature to r&b, summer has that same stature. she's at the top of the genre and has her generation on lock. if people still consumed music the same, she's in the CD deck/disc man of every black high school and college girl the way ashanti was in 02-04. amerie was not that

I will agree to disagree on this because I still feel Summer isn't Ashanti status. As you said R&B was far different 20 years ago. Summer isn't competing with an Alicia Keys, and while Beyonce is still a factor in this era, it's still telling because the only artist that was still relevant 20+ years into their career at that point was Michael Jackson and Ashanti had outsold Invincible.

I don't see that with Summer because she definitely isn't what Ashanti was in 2002. Like I said, I concede to Keyshia Cole.

Ashanti was much bigger than High School and College girls. That's downplaying her big time. Children loved Ashanti too. She was sought after for features.

 

[JustCKing]

Then why do you keep entertaining my conversation??..... .....Biggie doesn't have enough material....Jay Z does....

Why do you keep asking the questio?

Pac is the GOAT. Good night.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Who is ever going to debate that Travis is not a star lmao? He’s damn near a superstar cmon brehette do better

didn't say he wasn't a star, i'm debating just how big of a star. nikkas told me he's 02 jay, that generation's drake, astroworld status...yet his #'s look weak for how big people built him up against his peers

 

[A Tribe Called Quest ™]

didn't say he wasn't a star, i'm debating just how big of a star. nikkas told me he's 02 jay, that generation's drake, astroworld status...yet his #'s look weak for how big people built him up against his peers

Astro world dropped before I went to college by like 3 weeks, I graduated last May bruh… A 4 year break is long in any era

 

[ISO]

didn't say he wasn't a star, i'm debating just how big of a star. nikkas told me he's 02 jay, that generation's drake, astroworld status...yet his #'s look weak for how big people built him up against his peers

I wouldn’t compare him to nobody especially 02 Jay who I feel was so much more urban

Travis is his own thing I think he’s definitely a superstar but it’s been awhile since he dropped an album and he doesn’t do features unless fukking Nav hits him up he been quiet since that concert incident

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I will agree to disagree on this because I still feel Summer isn't Ashanti status. As you said R&B was far different 20 years ago. Summer isn't competing with an Alicia Keys, and while Beyonce is still a factor in this era, it's still telling because the only artist that was still relevant 20+ years into their career at that point was Michael Jackson and Ashanti had outsold Invincible.

I don't see that with Summer because she definitely isn't what Ashanti was in 2002. Like I said, I concede to Keyshia Cole.

Ashanti was much bigger than High School and College girls. That's downplaying her big time. Children loved Ashanti too. She was sought after for features.

ashanti had rap features, that was par for the course. rappers don't get r&b features anymore outside of an occasional ty dolla or chris brown appearance and even that has died down compared to 5-8 years ago. summer is sought after for features, she's pretty much been on all her peers' releases the past 2-3 years.

ashanti wasn't competing against alicia or beyonce, unless you mean strictly in the world of r&b and not overall, in which case, sure, they were the top 3 r&b acts. but summer is top 2, she's at the top of the genre with sza. and i'm not even sure why you're bringing alicia/bey up in relation to summer

as for the age range i brought up, that is who their music is made for - 14-30 year old girls/women dealing with relationships, love, heartache, etc. of course they have older and younger fans, but their target demographic is teens and young women. that's the target audience for most young (18-25) r&b acts, outside of the few who have cross generational appeal like alicia keys.

anyway, i'm done with this. summer's runs female r&b (with sza). you can go poll twitter, go the r&b subreddit and talk to the 13 people who still listen to modern r&b and ask there, you can consult lipstickalley, you can ask some college chicks, or you can just look a her #'s compared to her peers and see she's running shyt the way ashanti was. they are the same level for their respective eras.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Astro world dropped before I went to college by like 3 weeks, I graduated last May bruh… A 4 year break is long in any era

man, read the fukking thread, i already addressed this with the other artists who dropped projects before or around him.

 

[JustCKing]

ashanti had rap features, that was par for the course. rappers don't get r&b features anymore outside of an occasional ty dolla or chris brown appearance and even that has died down compared to 5-8 years ago. summer is sought after for features, she's pretty much been on all her peers' releases the past 2-3 years.

ashanti wasn't competing against alicia or beyonce, unless you mean strictly in the world of r&b and not overall, in which case, sure, they were the top 3 r&b acts. but summer is top 2, she's at the top of the genre with sza. and i'm not even sure why you're bringing alicia/bey up in relation to summer

as for the age range i brought up, that is who their music is made for - 14-30 year old girls/women dealing with relationships, love, heartache, etc. of course they have older and younger fans, but their target demographic is teens and young women. that's the target audience for most young (18-25) r&b acts, outside of the few who have cross generational appeal like alicia keys.

anyway, i'm done with this. summer's runs female r&b (with sza). you can go poll twitter, go the r&b subreddit and talk to the 13 people who still listen to modern r&b and ask there, you can consult lipstickalley, you can ask some college chicks, or you can just look a her #'s compared to her peers and see she's running shyt the way ashanti was. they are the same level for their respective eras.

Put it this way, 2002 you know Ashanti would be much higher than 89 on a list of most listened to artists.

And I don't sew how it's ludicrous to compare a current Travis to an 2002 Jay Z, yet argue that Summer Walker is '02 -'04 Ashanti.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Put it this way, 2002 you know Ashanti would be much higher than 89 on a list of most listened to artists.

And I don't sew how it's ludicrous to compare a current Travis to an 2002 Jay Z, yet argue that Summer Walker is '02 -'04 Ashanti.

ok, well if this was a 2021 list when summer's album dropped, like Ashanti in 02, she might be higher.

secondly there are 12 r&b (adjacent) acts on this list: bey, summer, sza, chris, bieber, brent, lacy, weeknd, bruno, khalid, usher, jhene. five of which are huge pop stars (bey, usher, bieber, bruno, weeknd) and only 2-4 debuted in the last 5 years (summer, khalid, lacy if just counting his solo work, sza if only counting from her retail debut)...it clearly is a big deal to be an r&b act, who doesn't make crossover music, and be in the top 100. it's really laughable to see someone who is part of a struggle genre like r&b be dismissed for being a top 100 artist. for her to be that high, that means she's doing #'s amongst listeners in her genre because r&b is not a widespread genre like it used to be