Draymond Is The most Impactful Non Scorer/Rebounder In NBA History

[Consumed]

Hall of Famers are the best of the best. Hall of Famers carry their squads and do the heavy lifting. Role players do not belong in the Hall of Fame. You guys want to devalue the Hall even more than it already is. Might as well put Iguodala in there too.

This is such an utterly laughable argument.

Is Draymond Green not one of the best defensive players of his era. How many guys have ever been more versatile. I don't understand why this doesn't matter for his HOF candidacy.

It is problematic to reduce his contributions to "a role player" when the Warriors depend on him for so much on both ends Even offensively where he is crucial to their read and react offense, helping Steph get open and capitalizing on the space that Steph creates by finding open teammates. It really doesn't make sense for someone to appreciate how good the Warriors have been in the past (as I think you do) and not highly value Green.

 

[DetroitEWarren]

Draymond is a role player, and yes there have been other great role players. Yes he has a huge impact for this team, but it's only based on who's on the floor. If he truly was a great as some of y'all would like to believe, he'd still be doing the same thing last year, even if they were losing. He'd still be able to get his teammates easy shots, play defense, play hard. He's no different than Boris Diaw for those Spurs chips. Boris was drafted as a SG. Spurs had him play C, using him as a defender, a playmaker, rebounder. Hell, Michael Cooper DPY, 8-9 All Def, 4 Rings and no shot in hell of making HOF.

Great players...even great role players, play the same and have the same impact no matter the players on the court with them. Win or lose, you know what you're going to get from them. Can you say the same for Draymond? His numbers aren't even consistent for this team

Let me rundown some other role players - Uncle Cliff, Danny Ainge, Davis Boys, Tyson Chandler, JR Smith, Kenyon Martin, Kevin Willis, Horace Grant, Oakley, Brent Barry...multiple teams, some accolades, and had the same impact no matter the combo they played with

YOU KNOW HIS NUMBERS ARE LITERALLY EXACTLY THE SAME AS LAST YEAR RIGHT NOW RIGHT

 

[///Vega+++]

How many points Draymond scored game 7 of those 2016 finals?

 

[ÆTHER]

Avery Johnson was the leader of the early Spurs 'chip teams. He's not in the Hall. Neither Shaq nor Kobe were the leader of their 00-02 teams. The leader of the team is not always the best player.


You can't plug him into any team though. On the '96 Bulls, Pippen renders him useless. And Ron Harper was 20ppg (4 & 5) scorer that you had to pay attention to. You can't plug him on the Kobe Lakers, any Lebron team, early Spurs, Pistons. The only other team you can put him on for him to be successful are the later Spurs, in place of Diaw.

Ron wasn't a 20ppg scorer on the Bulls he left all of that on the Clippers and Draymond is just as liable to potentially go off as Ron was at that stage of his career unless you're saying that 90s players were out there guarding reputations instead of actual players. Those Lakers and Bulls teams were running the triangle. How does a guy with Draymond's skillset not fit into that system but the corpse of Ron Harper does for BOTH the Bulls and the Lakers. The triangle is predicated on passing, cutting and floor spacing what have the Warriors been doing for the better part of the last decade? Ron got 5 rings out of MJ/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe and you're saying Dray couldn't have given those teams what he did? Make it make sense.

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

Op, If you say your lifetime, I can understand it but you said the “history”.

Superstar players and allstar players are one thing because they are heavily documented. Role players aren’t, to the point where you have to have seen them to properly judge them.

How do you measure a role player who depends on other players greatness in order for him to perform at his best.

if we shouldn’t use his stats to see his overall greatest that means you have no way to judge role players from the past that you’ve never seen.

what’s your top 10 all time list of role players? If you have to discount stats and have less than 30 years of nba knowledge that could possibly be the hardest list to comprise.

 

[Torrential]

This is hilariously bad posting cmon son

not at all. Dray is overrated as fukk on this site. Because there are a lot of asians/Warriors fans. He had 0 impact on the game last year we saw what he truly was.

 

[CSquare43]

not at all. Dray is overrated as fukk on this site. Because there are a lot of asians/Warriors fans. He had 0 impact on the game last year we saw what he truly was.

First comment is just And has nothing to do with the question about Dray.

Name a contending team in the league that he wouldn't improve immediately if they were able to get him (and they
would all take him, outside of maybe the Jazz/Nuggets)...

 

[Torrential]

First comment is just And has nothing to do with the question about Dray.

Name a contending team in the league that he wouldn't improve immediately if they were able to get him (and they
would all take him, outside of maybe the Jazz/Nuggets)...

Did you read the title of this thread my guy...OP said he is the most impactful non scorer / rebounder of all time....:

 

[DetroitEWarren]

Op, If you say your lifetime, I can understand it but you said the “history”.

Superstar players and allstar players are one thing because they are heavily documented. Role players aren’t, to the point where you have to have seen them to properly judge them.

How do you measure a role player who depends on other players greatness in order for him to perform at his best.

if we shouldn’t use his stats to see his overall greatest that means you have no way to judge role players from the past that you’ve never seen.

what’s your top 10 all time list of role players? If you have to discount stats and have less than 30 years of nba knowledge that could possibly be the hardest list to comprise.

Draymond
Rodman
Stockton
Wallace
Billups


Yea bro a hard ass list to make. Im 34 been watching hardcore since 91 for Jordans first ring. That's the oldest shyt I can remember seeing live

 

[BlackAchilles]

Draymond
Rodman
Stockton
Wallace
Billups


Yea bro a hard ass list to make. Im 34 been watching hardcore since 91 for Jordans first ring. That's the oldest shyt I can remember seeing live

Robert Horry gotta be on that lis, no man you'd rather kick it out to for the playoff potential game tier/game winner

 

[DetroitEWarren]

Robert Horry gotta be on that lis, no man you'd rather kick it out to for the playoff potential game tier/game winner

I had listed Horry but I took him off for the lack of a stand out skill. As an overall player he wasn't as good as the other people listed. Clutch as fukk, but didn't affect the whole game like everybody else listed.

 

[Barry Sanders]

Wow


Dudes are so dumb they actually expect a nikka that's ONLY a role player to make the playoffs without a single person who can score 20ppg on the team

I thought Dray makes everyone better.

Instead he was getting kicked out of games last season on purpose.

I thought he makes everybody better.

Damn people already forgot the Warriors dynasty?

Draymond was such a huge catalyst to their success. Easy HOFer in my opinion.

After KD came no one takes the Warriors dynasty serious.

 

[Barry Sanders]

How many points Draymond scored game 7 of those 2016 finals?

They left him open.

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

Draymond is better than him and I’m tired of Rodman being brought up in these discussion.

You buggin.... Rodman would be a 20 PPG scorer today

 

[Brozay]

Draymond
Rodman
Stockton
Wallace
Billups


Yea bro a hard ass list to make. Im 34 been watching hardcore since 91 for Jordans first ring. That's the oldest shyt I can remember seeing live

11 time all nba Stockton a role player?