the defensive rankings are misleading. the giants D always started out slow and improved as the season went on. by the time the playoffs started their defenses were playing much better than the rankings suggested.
"Eli Manning Won His Two Super Bowls Under Ideal Situations" - Agree or Disagree
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RhodyRum
Mark Gassed-A-Heaux
Fixed that for you. And this is coming from someone who admired his play greatly in those runs.
However, him getting in the HOF off the strength of 8 games and his last name paired with a rather mediocre career outside of those 8 games is complete horse-shıt.
Doug Williams had a miraculous run taking a very young Bucs team to the '79 NFCCG, then followed that up years later with a historic SB run, both statistically and socially, and would have done more between those 2 events had it not been for racist ownership in Tampa.
Jim Plunkett went from certified bust to 2 time SB winner. Eli was about to be run outta NY without at least a NFCCG appearance in 2007 and talk of him being a bust was in the air.
I'm not arguing for Williams or Plunkett to be in. I'm saying all three are currently where they belong, outside of the HOF, and that if Eli gets in, those 2 should be as well, which is the danger with letting Eli in.
mvp_status
Superstar
There was nothing ideal about that beatdown the 49ers D-Line put on him in that NFC title game the 2nd run
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
That’s true but Eli went into Lambeau and lit the #1 seed, 15-1 Packers with the 4th ranked defense the fukk up with 330 yards, 3 tds and 37 points.
didnt they play the 17-0 patriots the first run? and have the Tyree catch?
2nd SB. 18-0 Patriots
He had Hakeem NicksIn his 2 Super Bowl runs he threw 15 tds and 2 picks
The 2011 run he had 300 ypg and 65% completion and 9 tds to 1 pick
His receivers were Victor Cruz, Mario Manningham and this Wikipedia picture
The running game was ranked 32nd and defense 27th
Besides the 2 super bowls his career numbers are solid. Give the man his flowers
Devin Thomas wasn't a starter though he made the recovery of that fumble though. That was huge
Anyway, I wouldn't say Eli won in favourable conditions. Still, I think he shouldn't be a HOFer.
His 2011 season was really good. That was a big time QB year. Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Eli, Stafford all played really well. Cam was a rookie and threw for 4000 yards. Passing was next level that year. Even Tebow threw for 316 yards against the Steelers in the playoffs.
murksiderock
Superstar
Basically everything Bucci said above. Eli had two All-Time runs. The rest of his career, 14 years, is the very definition of average...What does this even mean?. I'm struggling with the thread title, poll title, and the post you quoted. They don't all say the same thing.
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If you're asking about an ideal situation by having a defense in 2007-2008 that was able to generate a great pass rush, sure? But, they were a wild card team and had to play on the road and then face the undefeated Patriots. I don't think that's ideal.
Then in 2011, it was similar, although they received the benefit of the most overlooked and worst call I've seen in playoff history in that Ahmad Bradshaw was given forward progress on a clear fumble that would have probably sealed the game for the 49er's. They still had to go through Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, a 13-3 49er's team, and then the Patriots again.
He did get some great plays by his teammates in all of those games though. Beyond great plays.
He was not better than Big Ben or Rivers, but he will get into the HOF due to those wins and him being in New York.
That's not a Canton career...
calling him or his numbers "solid" is a stretch. He was an average NFL starting quarterback, who got hot at the right time, TWICE, with his teammates also playing above their heads both times...Eli's career is barely better than Flacco's; he basically did 2012 Playoff Flacco, twice. In the regular season he was essentially just a slightly better version of Flacco...
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
Top 10 in yards passing, 11th in TDs. Also threw a lot of picks.Basically everything Bucci said above. Eli had two All-Time runs. The rest of his career, 14 years, is the very definition of average...
That's not a Canton career...
Eli's career is barely better than Flacco's; he basically did 2012 Playoff Flacco, twice. In the regular season he was essentially just a slightly better version of Flacco...
I’d say going on 2 perfect superbowl runs beating undefeated Tom Brady and 15-1 Aaron Rodgers gets you in. Nobody in history has 2 runs like Eli’s.
Eli carried them in 2011. That team was buns for a lot of that season. They got swept by the Rex grossman Redskins that year Defense had a good pass rush and not much else. Offense had one of the worst run games in the entire league that season.
Defense had a good pass rush and not much else. Offense had one of the worst run games in the entire league that season.Yes, the defense played a lot better at the end of the season/in the playoffs that year. That Packers offense was a monster all year, went 15-1 with true prime Rodgers and they held them to 20. Pats put up 60 pts on Denver, 30 on a great Baltimore defense, Giants held them to 17 in the SB.
AJtheOne
Nets/Giants/Yankees
Eli is getting a gold jacket , deal wit it
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RhodyRum
Mark Gassed-A-Heaux
Eli carried them in 2011. That team was buns for a lot of that season. They got swept by the Rex grossman Redskins that year
What got them over the hump in 2011 was the emergence of Victor Cruz as a legit #1 who could beat double coverage, JPP finally taking his career seriously, and the Clown Show Jets providing for an ENORMOUS emotional launching pad during that late December "Battle of NYC" game, courtesy of that human cụnt-fart known as Rex Ryan (who gained the label of "Big Mouth, Big Belly Coach" immediately after that game
). That game was as huge a boost to the 2011 team as the season finale vs The Patriots was to the 2007 team.Eli gets credit for keeping them afloat while those young dudes developed, but he himself wasn't carrying that team anywhere. He wasn't that guy. You can't be known as a guy who carries a squad while simultaneously getting swept by a Rex Grossman led division rival. That's like John Elway being swept by a Todd Marinovich or Jeff George led L.A. Raiders team.
HOF QBs don't allow their teams to get swept by opponents led by peons.
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@Mister Terrific shut this thread down promptly with nothing but F A C T S ! 
And don't forget the classic last-minute Giants win in Foxboro during the regular season of the 2011-12 Super Bowl run.
18-0 Patriots was in 2007-08, the first SB run.
And don't forget the classic last-minute Giants win in Foxboro during the regular season of the 2011-12 Super Bowl run.
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