Execs, Agents Fear NBA Headed For Another Lockout

[tremonthustler1]

c/s

These dudes are still sticking to the name brand teams on telecasts and most of the 'name brands' are down this year. They won't even show the young and upcoming teams in the league. I'm trying to figure out the real issue here. Are they saying that the play in the league is substandard or are they upset the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, etc aren't competitive because they compose half of their national tv lineup? The NFL rolls with whoevers hot, they don't give a sh*t about storied histories or name brand franchises. Its all about who's presently winning ballgames to them

This is quite false. It's easier to hide this through 2 things:

1. major fluctuation of the schedule

2. every game is nationally televised, and that's from the Jags to the Pats. Everybody eats. Meanwhile, there are still NBA teams that black out locally.

That being said, rarely will you ever hear an NFL exec say "the league is better when ______ is good"

 

[tremonthustler1]

Dap +rep.

These owners are making money hand over fist and franchises are selling for record amounts. The next TV deal is gonna be massive too, but some of you want a hard cap and all this other bullshyt.

If there's a hard cap, it should be at least $100 million. All these teams are caking. Bill Simmons brought up a great comparison in his latest column. Brian McCann is making more money for the Yankees than LeBron. Tell me how that's right.

There shouldn't be a lockout; there should be a players strike.

If history has shown you anything, nobody will ever take the side of the players when the players bytch about not making enough money (see MLB, 94).

 

[pete clemenza]

This is quite false. It's easier to hide this through 2 things:

1. major fluctuation of the schedule

2. every game is nationally televised, and that's from the Jags to the Pats. Everybody eats. Meanwhile, there are still NBA teams that black out locally.

That being said, rarely will you ever hear an NFL exec say "the league is better when ______ is good"]/B]

And that's my whole point.. However they go about that is another topic.. but you don't get a mass bashing of the league by former greats of the sport if say the Packers, Bears, or Steelers are having a bad year. And NBA blackouts aren' t the same as NFL blackouts

 

[tremonthustler1]

These old f*cks always talk sh*t though breh.. So there weren't any bad teams in their era? They're will always be good teams and bad teams no matter what period or what sport you follow. You can't have good teams if there's no bad teams. There's no rich without poor. No tall without short. Its the ying and the yang.. its impossible. My team sucked thoroughly throughout all these so called great-golden eras of basketball. I guess it was okay then cause the teams these guys played on got to eat. Did Barnard King play any defense? Charles Barkley was great but he didn't make his teammates any better like Jordan did?

-If they want to talk about this tanking bullsh*t then I agree. If they want to speak on one and dones and the NBA age limit then I'm open ears. But these general-all encompassing statements are bullsh*t to me.

What scares people is that you may be looking at the same teams being competitive and the same teams being crappy. At least in virtually every other sport, it comes in cycles. When some teams legitimately know they don't have to rebuild even when they suck and teams that can't inherently sustain success even if they're coming up, that says a lot.

 

[BlakeSuperior]

You can't blame the fans though. The Networks choose what games to broadcast and all the marquee teams are bad right now. People can't judge what they can not see. League Pass is not in HD in my area I'm not gonna pay an extra $100 to watch grainy video.

I blame the "fans" for saying shyt they actually aren't informed about. Yes, the traditional teams like LA, Boston and NY are bad, but like clemenza said, they go to such hyperbole instead of speaking the facts. Then they spread that ignorance and becomes a common belief.

 

[tremonthustler1]

And that's my whole point.. However they go about that is another topic.. but you don't get a mass bashing of the league by former greats of the sport if say the Packers, Bears, or Steelers are having a bad year. And NBA blackouts aren' t the same as NFL blackouts

In the NFL, you're blacked out locally if the tickets aren't sold.

In the NBA, depending on what your team shells out, it may not matter. Your game may not come on regardless depending on the situation. A really bad team in a small market might not shell out what it costs to have 82 games broadcast.

 

[Regular_P]

If history has shown you anything, nobody will ever take the side of the players when the players bytch about not making enough money (see MLB, 94).

Oh, I know. They need somebody to shape the narrative in the media to fit their agenda.

We know what the players make. John Wall signed a 5 year/$80 million extension over the summer. That's public knowledge. Nobody hears about the owners' wealth or how much they're making a year off the teams.

There are plenty of lists showing all the players' lifetime earnings, but we rarely hear about how the owners are billionaires. When they lockout the players or there's a strike, the owners aren't talking about how they want to take the players' additional earnings and give them to the workers in the arena. It's all going to line their pockets, but there aren't many faces to put to their names. They're mostly anonymous.

 

[pete clemenza]

What scares people is that you may be looking at the same teams being competitive and the same teams being crappy. At least in virtually every other sport, it comes in cycles. When some teams legitimately know they don't have to rebuild even when they suck and teams that can't inherently sustain success even if they're coming up, that says a lot.

Maybe in the NFL you getrotating cycles, even though my Raiders are looking at 13-14 years of sub .500 ball, but the rich eat consistently in baseball and in basketball its all about ownership/management and drafting well.

 

[Serious]

This is quite false. It's easier to hide this through 2 things:

1. major fluctuation of the schedule

2. every game is nationally televised, and that's from the Jags to the Pats. Everybody eats. Meanwhile, there are still NBA teams that black out locally.

That being said, rarely will you ever hear an NFL exec say "the league is better when ______ is good"

black out?

 

[tremonthustler1]

Oh, I know. They need somebody to shape the narrative in the media to fit their agenda.

We know what the players make. John Wall signed a 5 year/$80 million extension over the summer. That's public knowledge. Nobody hears about the owners' wealth or how much they're making a year off the teams.

There are plenty of lists showing all the players' lifetime earnings, but we rarely hear about how the owners are billionaires. When they lockout the players or there's a strike, the owners aren't talking about how they want to take the players' additional earnings and give them to the workers in the arena. It's all going to line their pockets, but there aren't many faces to put to their names. They're mostly anonymous.

Rarely will an owner's main source of income be the NBA. Wall's livelihood is basketball. That plays huge when it comes to negotiations. We know owners are wealthy. We also know an owner had that money before he ever fukked with an NBA team

Besides, like in any company, you can complain about the owner all you want. You can't fire him.

 

[Danny Up]

I blame the "fans" for saying shyt they actually aren't informed about. Yes, the traditional teams like LA, Boston and NY are bad, but like clemenza said, they go to such hyperbole instead of speaking the facts. Then they spread that ignorance and becomes a common belief.

That's not the fans fault, that's the NBA's fault for marketing talent over teams and games.

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

You can't blame the fans though. The Networks choose what games to broadcast and all the marquee teams are bad right now. People can't judge what they can not see. League Pass is not in HD in my area I'm not gonna pay an extra $100 to watch grainy video.

I've been blessed to have a friend who works for the NBA, so even tho Comcast doesn't have HD league pass, I have league pass for free via apple TV.

Tonight is a good example of what I'm saying. The Oklahoma City Thunder are playing the Phoenix Suns.......Anyone who knows anything about basketball at this point knows you're getting a high scoring basketball game (the total is like 217) between the best team in the Western Conference and an up & coming team with Jeff Hornacek, who should be the coach of the year their star Goran Dragic playing out of his mind. Is that on television? No, a game between the Lakers and Clippers is....The Lakers aren't relevant and even when Kobe was there last year it was clear that the Lakers were too old.

The Spurs vs Heat are also on television, good match up but both teams are coasting so at any given time, games involving these teams will be a dud or a classic.

The bottom line is there needs to be a way to flex games.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Maybe in the NFL you getrotating cycles, even though my Raiders are looking at 13-14 years of sub .500 ball, but the rich eat consistently in baseball and in basketball its all about ownership/management and drafting well.

Like Oakland? Tampa? the Twins for a long while?

 

[Regular_P]

Rarely will an owner's main source of income be the NBA. Wall's livelihood is basketball. That plays huge when it comes to negotiations. We know owners are wealthy. We also know an owner had that money before he ever fukked with an NBA team

Besides, like in any company, you can complain about the owner all you want. You can't fire him.

The owners' wealth never becomes part of the narrative though. All we hear about is the players. The owners have their money before basketball, but they don't want their investment to lose worth either. If no games are played and the league becomes a mess, no one is going to want to buy another team.

The players won't be smart enough to stash their current earnings to dig in for a real fight though.

 

[tremonthustler1]

black out?

as in they don't televise every game.