Fat Joe getting drug for saying Latinos created hip hop

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It’s making rounds

I got into a back and forth with crazy legs himself, on instagram

What was the scuffle about?

Crazy Legs himself said in an interview that he was taken to a party by Black Americans in the late 70s, in fact it was 79 when he learned about break dancing, and that's by his own words in that interview.
 
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Why say something that you aren't sure about, as a fact?

I see you don't know, and just repeating what you THINK you know, but if people ae saying different, why not ask questions to see why they would say that?

is it because you don't care about the truth?

Or is this about competition, and you gotta represent for your people?

BE HONEST, PLEASE!
The word is contribute, not "create". That is where he slipped, tripped and fell over his own shoelace. He's now at the clinic for recovery, because of all the batter and bruises.
 
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From what I have gathered the few who came in at first were predominantly Afro-Ricans. Cholly Rock addresses the presence of Ricans in the Black Spades and explains that there was "quite a few" Ricans in the Black Spades. He doesn't give any number or percentage. (see the interview posted below, part 1).


How is this important? Because we need to see the development on Hip Hop in its proper chronological context and order. What was going on at the time? We had the Black Power movement, NOI with the 5%, Civil Rights Era and the Great Migration from the South to NY. Predominantly from the Carolina region, as Tariq pointed out. He was correct on that one.

This brings us to the history and culture of Carolina, the Gullah Geechee and the old Black (FBA) demographic in NY.

@IllmaticDelta and I have talked about this migration from the South to NY in earlier posts/ threads. Perhaps @IllmaticDelta can repost that data / information here? So we can do some further deconstruction.

"Between 1900 and 1940, almost two million African Americans left the South. Most departing from North Carolina moved directly north to states along the East Coast. In fact, North Carolinians, along with Virginians and South Carolinians, topped the list of immigrants to New York State."
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As blacks moved north in this “Great Migration,” they created communities within cities. It was not uncommon to find entire blocks of families from one southern state. Many North Carolinians moved to Harlem, the center of black life in New York City. During the “Harlem Renaissance” of the 1920s, African American art, literature, and music flourished. It was in this environment that young Romare Bearden grew up, surrounded by a large group of African Americans from his home state as well as from other areas of the South and the Caribbean.


Part 1 Cholly Rock Talks Black Spades Gang History The Burning Bronx 70s & Birth Of HipHop



Part 2 Hiphop History DJ Kool Herc Afrika Bambaataa Flash & How Hiphop become a Global Success



Part 3 BBOYING History Grandmaster Flash Dj Kool Herc Zulu Kings & Grandmixer DST Hiphop History



Part 4 Hiphop History Gangs to Crews Disco King Mario Flash DJ Kool Herc & Positive Message to ALL

 
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I was hoping to forget the 'Top That' video. I was about to neg you for posting it. That video is the ultimate cringe.

But damn, they really trying to lay claim to music they derided and lambasted. They even said it was a fad that would die before the year 2000, but now they want to lay claim?

Shameless. :scust:
The Griot (story tellers) and tradition of the "Spoken Word" narrative makes more sense, considering the Gullah Geechee and history of Carolina. But also the Black populations that was already in NY for hundreds of years. Of course this doesn't make Hip Hop or rap African, but it shows the origin of the Gullah Geechee, from whom these cultural Gullah Geechee patterns emerged.



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The Maerschalck map of the City of New York is a historic map made in 1754 that clearly shows the African Burial Ground and its surrounding neighborhood

African Burial Ground National Monument (U.S. National Park Service)
 
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Hispanics were def in the mix when hip hop formed.... I wouldn't agree on the percentages but most def they are apart of the culture.... :manny:
If the people who were actually there, at the time, say the opposite of what you claim. Why should I believe you, or Fat Joe?

This is a head scratching moment so me, so I’d like for you to explain this… thanks in advance.
 
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If the people who were actually there, at the time, say the opposite of what you claim. Why should I believe you, or Fat Joe?

This is a head scratching moment so me, so I’d like for you to explain this… thanks in advance.


i'm an 80's baby....my parents and older people I grew up with in Harlem can attest to Latinos part in Hip Hop but I also saw it myself....a lot of the graffiti crews were mixed black/spanish....block parties were mixed black/spanish rappers and dj's.....I grew up around a lot of hispanics myself....we all listened to the same hip hop music...dressed/walked/talked the same (minus when they switch to bilingual).....like I said...the "50/50" statement Joe said is way off imo....but Blacks and Latins go hand in hand with hip hop.....:myman:
 

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i'm an 80's baby....my parents and older people I grew up with in Harlem can attest to Latinos part in Hip Hop but I also saw it myself....a lot of the graffiti crews were mixed black/spanish....block parties were mixed black/spanish rappers and dj's.....I grew up around a lot of hispanics myself....we all listened to the same hip hop music...dressed/walked/talked the same (minus when they switch to bilingual).....like I said...the "50/50" statement Joe said is way off imo....but Blacks and Latins go hand in hand with hip hop.....:myman:
You do understand that what you wrote is a lot of bogus?

To begin with. We are not talking about the '80s so that was the first mistake you made in your trolling. We are talking about the '70s, the early '70s at that and perhaps even the late '60s. Growing up in Harlem in the '80s doesn't make you part of the subculture, it makes you growing up in Harlem that's all. Hip Hop culture was not something mainstream in the '70s and early '80s (The earliest part of the 80s). By your logic anyone born in the Bronx or the other boroughs was part of Hip Hop culture, simply because they were born there. lol

Others and I are asking for places, names, dates …. show us stickers, flyers etc…from the '70s.


If these Puerto Ricans themselves (at that age) are saying they learned it from Black Americans late 70s, how come you are claiming something different in 2022? lol That's comical.

You clearly have not listened to any of the content where the original B Boys spoke on this matter. These people were there in the early '70s, 10 - 20 years before you were born. lol

And putting up dumb emojis is not going to help you in this, it only makes you look incompetent, childish and delusional. Notice you have no been able to give us any names of these alleged Latin pioneers in Hip Hop in these hand-in-hand cultural developers. And yes, I said pioneers not contributors from the late '70s and '80s.






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Your screen name fits you perfectly. "Blank thoughts" (empty thoughts).
 
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You do understand the what you wrote is a lot of bogus?

To begin with. We are not talking about the '80s so that was the first mistake you made in your trolling. We are talking about the 70's, the early '70s at that and perhaps even the late '60s. Growing up in Harlem in the '80s doesn't make you part of the subculture, it makes you growing up in Harlem that's all. Hip Hop culture was not something mainstream in the 70's and early 80s (The earliest part of the 80s). By your logic anyone born in the Bronx or the other boroughs was part of Hip Hop culture, simply because they were born there. lol

Others and I are asking for places, names, dates …. show us stickers, flyers etc…from the 70s.


If these Puerto Ricans themselves (at that age) are saying they learned it from Black Americans late 70s, how come you are claiming something different in 2022? lol That's comical.

You clearly have not listened to any of the content where the original B Boys spoke on this matter. These people were there in the early 70's, 10 - 20 years before you were born. lol

And putting up dumb emojis is not going to help you in this, it only makes you look incompetent, childish and delusional. Notice you have no been able to give us any names of these alleged Latin pioneers in Hip Hop in these hand-in-hand cultural developers. And yes, I said pioneers not contributors from the late '70s and '80s.






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Your screen name fits you perfectly. "Blank thoughts" (empty thoughts).



Write all the Ish you want.... I give props where they due....you tight at what fat joe said then fine... Thats your demons... But I ain't denying the role Latins played.... :hubie:
 

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Write all the Ish you want.... I give props where they due....you tight at what fat joe said then fine... Thats your demons... But I ain't denying the role Latins played.... :hubie:
More blank (empty) babble. And as excpected still no evidence of your claims, or that of Fat Joe. And I didn't write all I wanted, I actually gave EVIDENCE!

People who immigrate take their culture with them. If they were as "prominent and dominant" as you claim, how come we don't see their cultural patterns in early Hip Hop? We are talking sociology and anthropology now.

Fat Joe was made popular by the D.I.T.C., you looney toon.
 
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A hundred years from now there's going to be a documentary about 2Pac starring a white actor.
If we let it slide and let them write the narrative they will.

However, Hip Hop unlike the other styles of music created by Black Americans, is born from consciousness, which is rooted in the Black Spades and 5%. The Black Spades was setup to protect the Black community and the 5% nationalism we all ready know.
 

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If we let it slide and let them write the narrative they will.

However, Hip Hop unlike the other styles of music created by Black Americans, is born from consciousness, which is rooted in the Black Spades and 5%. The Black Spades was setup to protect the Black community and the 5% nationalism we all ready know.

IT CAME FROM CONSCIOUSNESS, THE MOTHER WHEEL AND 5%ers!

Black people really ought to abandon this magical thinking bullshyt. Literally no one cares about this consciousness 5% shyt. You got to have your ideas rooted in reality. Not some magical thinking religious fairytale nonsense.
 

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IT CAME FROM CONSCIOUSNESS, THE MOTHER WHEEL AND 5%ers!

Black people really ought to abandon this magical thinking bullshyt. Literally no one cares about this consciousness 5% shyt. You got to have your ideas rooted in reality. Not some magical thinking religious fairytale nonsense.
Babble box is ranting here.

It has nothing to do with abandoning etc.

It has nothing to do with how they interpret the Islamic schism.

It has to do with the history of Hip Hop culture, how and why it developed the way it did and the social order of those days!

You have to understand the development of that time and sociology. It all took place during the era of the civil rights movement, Black Power movement etc… Black people being attacked by white gangs in New York, the white flight, Black veterans coming back from wars in the ‘60s. The Nixon administration implemented a war against drugs in Black communities, drugs the CIA put in Black communities. So yeah, consciousness (awareness) is what people had what was going on.

Hence, is why so many had Islamic names. Hence the b boy stance. Do you know the b boy stance? lol



Many of these guys were “gang members”, street dudes. But the NOI was too strict, so they took on a 5% identity.

It’s always types like you who don’t know a damn thing about Hip Hop culture and history. You can’t even be honest about the actual history of Hip Hop and what and why it has molded the way it did.

It’s almost comical how you try to twist the history of Hip Hop, with your lies and bigotry!







Earlier on I forgot to mention the Zulu Nation as a conscious movement as well. The Zulu Nation came out of the Black Spades. And from there you get to the Native Tongues.





 
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