Fears of societal collapse prompt new push for babies in Japan

[CopiousX]

it's a balance, if people are educated and struggling to afford to live comfortably they make the prudent choice of not having children they can't afford.
I wouldn't say poor people value children more but that they have more children due to lack of education and don't prioritize contraceptives because of cost.

are Scandinavian countries facing a birthrate crisis?

Yes. Extremely so. None of them is at replacement rate with nations like Norway at 1.48 , Sweden at 1.66, and Denmark at 1.67. they are moving at a slower rate but still going in the same direction, like watching a train crash in slow motion. Also note that they are similarly honegenous as their east Asian cousins and aren't as crazy with immigration as western Europe. In fact the refugee crisis has made them somewhat hostile to the introduction of brown and black people.



I will concede your point on poor people's education and contraceptive access. But Their old habits don't tend to die once education and contraceptives are introduced . This is what I mean by values. Think of how our grandparents who grew up in depression era conditions are still conscientious about food waste or savings despite the economic abundance of our current era.


But I'd venture further and state that the introduction of poor people is a bit of a stopgap measure. A bandaid. its unsustainable in the long run.

How well versed are you in evolutionary biology? I admit this last point is pure speculation on my part but I see humanity in an inverse malthusian crisis in respect to our birthrates rates.

 

[VoxSphere74]

Them kids will be in the river and the ground not in school.

Brehs keep missing the point. One of the most homogenous countries in the world. If all they wanted was bodies they would encourage immigration and nationalization

This.

Japan and those other Asian countries like South Korea and China would rather disappear than have babies with Black people. That's how racist they are.

But notice how cacs and asians are panicking about their birth rates dropping but they're telling Africans to stop having so many babies.

The agenda is obvious. Because they know that the future of the world is Black and they can't stand it.

 

[The BasedFather]

Not my concern

Thanks for anime and video game systems tho

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

I don’t think it’s wrong for the Japanese wanting to keep its population Japanese.

It’s their destiny in their hands

Nothing wrong with it

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

This.

Japan and those other Asian countries like South Korea and China would rather disappear than have babies with Black people. That's how racist they are.

But notice how cacs and asians are panicking about their birth rates dropping but they're telling Africans to stop having so many babies.

The agenda is obvious. Because they know that the future of the world is Black and they can't stand it.

There will be 3 billion Africans by 2100

 

[froggle]

Good riddance. fukk Japan.

Super nintendo, sega gensis when I was dead broke, I couldn't picture this hater

 

[Spence]

Only one way out, and it’s through fukking a lot of Japanese pûssy!

 

[Will Ross]

it's a balance, if people are educated and struggling to afford to live comfortably they make the prudent choice of not having children they can't afford.
I wouldn't say poor people value children more but that they have more children due to lack of education and don't prioritize contraceptives because of cost.

are Scandinavian countries facing a birthrate crisis?

Living comfortably is very subjective to the individual.

 

[Robbie3000]

I hate when people default to the money issue . It sounds right but it's not backed by evidence. The more money I give you , the less likely you are to actually have kids .


Keep in mind their birthrate was already trash in their golden age in the 80s, and early 90s BEFORE WAGE STAGNATION. They haven't had a replacement birthrate since they were broke in the 60s and early 70s.There is a direct correlation between their country getting more money , and their birthrates falling off a cliff .


Beyond Japan, I always raise the peculiar case of the Scandinavian countries. All of these countries gave the world a real life test case for what happens when you spend more money on people and make it easier for them economically to have children. Do you know what the results of this social projects were? Failure. Those Scandinavian countries are spending the most on each of their citizens than any other country on earth. They have more social benefits, more child care benefits, more family leave, lower work hours, etc than every other Nation on Earth but despite pumping more and more money at the problem their birth rates are still dropping. Keep in mind they have already instituted all the reforms you could possibly suggest.


Money is not the solution. Making people's lives comfortable is not the solution either. Because people with lots of money who are comfortable do not prioritize childbirth.


It's an ideological issue, not a financial one. People just do not prioritize children when they are wealthy. You have a better return on investment by importing poor people who still value children based on their prior environment.

So you are saying government should make life as hard as possible for citizens so having kids becomes a necessity?

 

[bigdaddy88]

cant say i care

 

[Paradoxx]

This.

Japan and those other Asian countries like South Korea and China would rather disappear than have babies with Black people. That's how racist they are.

But notice how cacs and asians are panicking about their birth rates dropping but they're telling Africans to stop having so many babies.

The agenda is obvious. Because they know that the future of the world is Black and they can't stand it.

I think these groups are allowed to want to keep their population homogeneous, I know they’re hella racist even without all this baby making business.

Besides this isn’t really affecting our Diaspora as someone else stated Africans are gonna be 3 billion strong.

So why are some of you so desperate for them to open immigration to non Asians?

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

The economy is one issue. Asian feminism is another. Japan has been stuck in the 1950s in terms of women’s rights for the longest. It’s not merely the economy that is pushing this trend. Women are refusing because of how bad the whole housewife deal is and how toxic their patriarchal structure has been for women.

Notice the government is trying to push the idea that children and the domestic sphere isn’t merely a maternal thing.
They are doing it right. They are pushing for more paternity leave, better child care resources, husband classes to fight toxic relationship ideals. Once the government makes raising families more palatable for men AND women, this will turn around.

But if women get tired of being disrespected as “leftover” chicks and continue doing their own thing, it’ll still be “fukk them kids” “fukk yo birthrates” “fukk yo society”.
This was according to the Japanese women I used to speak to when I was living in Japan in the 2000s. Now, with Gen Z Japanese, I’m sure they even worse.

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

Every thread. Every fukking Japan birth rate thread.


They don't want you. That's a NO for the passport bros.

Dang breh

 

[CopiousX]

So you are saying government should make life as hard as possible for citizens so having kids becomes a necessity?

Nope. Don't straw man me .

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I'm suggesting that we are enduring a sunken cost fallacy in respect to population in developed economies. The investment is a bust, so you need to invest elsewhere . It's time wasting.

-> Sunk cost fallacy - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I specifically raise Scandinavia as an example because , while American advocates are suggesting moderate fixes of slightly raising expenditure in those social services ; Scandinavia has already taken the extreme path by using generous social services and it has shown us this solution does not return birthrates to replacement rate .

Do it on the basis of goodwill if you feel like it. I have no issue with govt services, I have an issue with us pretending they will make people reach a 2.1 fertility rate. It does not do that.

 

[Sensitive Christian Grey]

There will be 3 billion Africans by 2100

I dunno there was a recent article saying that the 10 billion population boom by 2100 wasn’t likely to happen