Fewer people are getting married because there’s a shortage of economically-stable single men

[Prynce]

We can agree to disagree but MOST financially abundant people are married and have been for a long time. Only in these newer generations is struggling alone and then inviting someone on board once you’ve reached success is the way to move.

Before this recent generation it was expected for white women to stay at home to be taken care of, so how could they contribute to the wealth of their husbands?

Most people who are wealthy, are born wealthy. I don't get historically or socially what you're referring too but I guess you're talking average joes.

Cause trust the top 1% and elite in this country didn't reach wealth from working hard with their spouse

 

[Eddy Gordo]

Lies. Typically women have ALWAYS contributed more to a marriage. ALWAYS.

Only a very few number of women worldwide historically have been able to live the sit at home while a nanny takes care of the kids life. That’s a rich woman’s lifestyle that u are projecting onto other women that is completely unrealistic.

MOST women have always been the PRIMARY caretakers of children AND the home AND supplemented family income with jobs AND worked to raise food or farm.

The myth of the lazy woman that men have in their heads is a lie from hell. On average 43% of farmers worldwide are WOMEN, and they don’t stop having babies, taking care of whiny ass husbands, cooking and cleaning at the end of the day.
One chick from the Philippines said her mother used to wish SHE had a wife at the of the day.

Black Women in America have ALWAYS participated heavily in the workforce. Our asses were strapping babies to our backs and heading out to the fields.
I don’t know where men get this idea that women have just been twiddling their thumbs in marriages while dudes do everything.

Especially now a days when women are working just as much as men are, AND still double burdened with traditional roles b/c dudes too lazy to knock back some dishes after they both get off from work

Who. Has. Lied. To. Ya’ll?! Please make it make sense.

Double burden - Wikipedia

“A double burden (also called double day, second shift, and double duty[1]) is the workload of people who work to earn money, but who are also responsible for significant amounts of unpaid domestic labor.[2] This phenomenon is also known as the Second Shift as in Arlie Hochschild's book of the same name. In couples where both partners have paid jobs, women often spend significantly more time than men on household chores and caring work, such as childrearing or caring for sick family members. This outcome is determined in large part by traditional gender roles that have been accepted by society over time.”



Maybe ur family is apart of the Kardishians or some shyt but everybody in my family WORKS and I don’t know many other blk women who don’t IN ADDITION TO holding down the housework.

“Compared with other women in the United States, black women have always had the highest levels of labor market participation regardless of age, marital status, or presence of children at home. In 1880, 35.4 percent of married black women and 73.3 percent of single black women were in the labor force compared with only 7.3 percent of married white women and 23.8 percent of single white women. Black women’s higher participation rates extended over their lifetimes, even after marriage, while white women typically left the labor force after marriage.” I love u but I’m just not speaking ur language....we not just gon make shyt up today.

Put the crack down.

Nobody said anything about marriage or that bullshyt you talking. We were talking about what YOU stated was the role of men.

To both teach and learn from women to grow into a better person.

To help create a better quality of life for his offspring and whoever is in his life. To die protecting it.

To live up to his own potential and follow his dreams as a model for others and contribute to the happiness of the group as he works out his own happiness and fulfillment.

YOU then said women should equally participate in these roles equality blah blah.

Which is where I said y'all did less of these roles because 1. Your less equipped to do them. 2. Men don't care about your ability to perform them. i.e equal value was not exchanged.

To point one. Let's use providing. We both know women are less able and likely to the heavy duty tasks back when we had agriculture based societies. Translates straight to today where women on average put in less overtime overall.

Which explains my second point. Men don't value male qualities in women. Because we were probably gonna do that shyt in the first place.

And before you start NO. Y'all ain't dying saving dudes lives either. Never even heard of instance of a woman trying to cover a man from gunfire or something.


Conclusion. We ain't equal. Yet somehow women were convinced y'all were always doing more under a situation in which a equivalent exchange was close.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Then this is a completely different situation. I’m of the belief that if she has the privilege of being a stay at home mom, then why the fukk would she NOT do that stuff?

It’s not drudgery if that’s ur primary job as a female. But most women worldwide have always worked in some way in addition to being in the household and taking care of kids. Most people aren’t rich.

My grandmother was a stay at home mom who also catered to make extra money, cleaned houses, tutored, AND farmed. I’m from the country and that is pretty much the standard.

Most people around the world, PARTICULARLY black people haven’t been able to afford not having their women contribute financially with their husbands to the household in addition to the other duties of a wife and mother across cultures.

Men work just as hard though, if not harder. Let's not pretend dudes wasn't in coal mines catching lung disease, working oil fields losing fingers, doing rooftops in 90 degree weather, working around garbage, working road construction damn near getting hit by cars, cleaning sewage, etc. You ever watch Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe? There's a lot of hard working dudes out there.

And at the end of the day we still get off the Titanic last

 

[Youseenmywork]

A missing dad IS Satan.

Even without his side of the story ...Jesus man . Even thoe mom's picked himnbecause she was into a "CEARTIN" type of man but she want admit that thoe.

 

[Prynce]

Men work just as hard though, if not harder. Let's not pretend dudes wasn't in coal mines catching lung disease, working oil fields losing fingers, doing rooftops in 90 degree weather, working around garbage, working road construction damn near getting hit by cars, cleaning sewage, etc. You ever watch Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe? There's a lot of hard working dudes out there.

And at the end of the day we still get off the Titanic last

Men created everything in society breh lmao

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

You cherry picked western and developed countries because everybody knows the wealthier a country becomes the birth rate decreases. That has been consistent across time and culture.


Decling birth raes in the countries are tied to many different aspects lmao
Education, the decrease of religious beliefs and adopting more European standards of living has all contributed to the decrease in birthrates.

But that only happens in mostly white developed countries. The world pop is going up lmao Africa is expected to hit a 2 billion people by 2050
I don't get why you're using data from western countries and japan to prove a point. They aren't a reflection of the totality of humanity.



You can show me conclusive proof that the birth rates are declining in every country and show me that women not wanting to have kids is the reason

The lives of men have gotten better to tho. I dont get why you are making it seem like women are the only group whose quality of life has improve over the last few decades
It way more complicated than you saying women are fed

I already showed u worldwide as I said. I never said every country. U moving goalposts. First u said west. I gave u West and then I threw China, Japan AND INDIA in and now u want every country. So I’ve covered North America, Asia, India, Europe...

Ain’t that worldwide?


I even gave u Africa and explained the situation.

The overarching point as to why birthrates are falling as countries develop or in developed countries is b/c as opportunities for women increase, birthrates tend to decrease. Many women in developing countries were in bad situations. Child marriages, rapes, lack of opportunity, dire poverty.
When they can do better, they don’t want to be tied to a dude they don’t like, buss out a bunch of babies, and be treated like shyt anymore.

Meanwhile higher fertility rates are often associated with poverty and high mortality rates.

“The decline has been steeper in urban areas than rural ones. “In urban areas, the TFR has come down from 4.1to 1.7 from 1971 to 2017 whereas the corresponding decline in rural areas has been from 5.4 to 2.4 during the same period,” the report reviewed by ET said.

One of the key reasons for the decline in fertility has been education, more precisely that of women. At the national level, 14.7% of the female population is reported illiterate.”
Literacy leaves its mark as fertility rate goes south

“More women are delaying having children, instead seeking higher education and fulfilling career paths.”
Why more women choosing to have fewer kids or none at all

Female Education and Childbearing: A Closer Look at the Data
In Africa
“The first figure (below) shows TFR trends over time in Ethiopia, Ghana and Kenya among women with varying levels of educational attainment. What it shows for all three countries is that there are striking differences in TFR between women with no schooling and women with a high school education.

Why does female education have a direct effect on fertility? The economic theory of fertility suggests an incentive effect: more educated women have higher opportunity costs of bearing children in terms of lost income. The household bargaining model suggests that more educated women are better able to support themselves and have more bargaining power, including on family size.”

I mean...what more do u want?
I’m not making shyt up.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

Men work just as hard though, if not harder. Let's not pretend dudes wasn't in coal mines catching lung disease, working oil fields losing fingers, doing rooftops in 90 degree weather, working around garbage, working road construction damn near getting hit by cars, cleaning sewage, etc. You ever watch Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe? There's a lot of hard working dudes out there.

And at the end of the day we still get off the Titanic last

I never said they didn’t. Here is where dudes fukk up. RIGHT HERE. @Eddy Gordo was the one who said WOMEN didn’t work as hard.
Which is a blatant lie and I pointed out why.

Then when I illustrated all the ways women DO work, u interpret that as me saying men don’t work hard. I know and appreciate that men work hard but ya’ll don’t get the same thing about women.

Men do this all the time. U initially insult women, call em every name in the book, tell em what they can’t do, and then when women literally show u what they can do, u accuse us of trying to discredit UR efforts or compete with u.

When we just literally responding to being underestimated.
I want EVERYBODY to pay close attention to this exchange b/c this is PART of the reason why these gender issues keep poppin up.

Women literally asserting what they do isn’t an indictment against men. But when u come from left field acting like we don’t do shyt, u can’t accuse us of trying to compete. We merely disproving lies that have been told about us. Nothing against u btw.

 

[Youseenmywork]

Talk holding nikkas down . HOW held down you great great grandfathers that went to WW2 and fought to prove they was more than 3/5 of man . nikkas came back from WW2 and black women had sided with white women with feminism and them white women Trojan horses affirmative action for there white men when majority of those jobs was suppose to go to black men and women ....

Mannn listen . It's a cold game when you don't know your pawn

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

I never said they didn’t. Here is where dudes fukk up. RIGHT HERE. @Eddy Gordo was the one who said WOMEN didn’t work as hard.
Which is a blatant lie and I pointed out why.

Then when I illustrated all the ways women DO work, u interpret that as me saying men don’t work hard. I know and appreciate that men work hard but ya’ll don’t get the same thing about women.

Men do this all the time. U initially insult women, call em every name in the book, tell em what they can’t do, and then when women literally show u what they can do, u accuse us of trying to discredit UR efforts or compete with u.

When we just literally responding to being underestimated.
I want EVERYBODY to pay close attention to this exchange b/c this is PART of the reason why these gender issues keep poppin up.

Women literally asserting what they do isn’t an indictment against men. But when u come from left field acting like we don’t do shyt, u can’t accuse us of trying to compete. We merely disproving lies that have been told about us. Nothing against u btw.

Yup, women do work hard, don't know where they get women being lazy from. Looking after kids ain't easy, that's why Daycare so expensive.

That said, once the kids are old enough to do household chores and ride the school bus themselves, it's time for the woman to find a part time job.

 

[Youseenmywork]

Check this out this is how calculating white women are. These white women don't like Trump or the grab them by the p*ssy president right ....but what they get is if they don't put their men first we want have any PRIVILEGE !!!!....

NOBODY EVERY is going to put black men first. Question once this country is done and black men have ... Served their purpose. What do black women think is going to happen to them ?

 

[Prynce]

I already showed u worldwide as I said. I never said every country. U moving goalposts. First u said west. I gave u West and then I threw China, Japan AND INDIA in and now u want every country. So I’ve covered North America, Asia, India, Europe...

Ain’t that worldwide?


I even gave u Africa and explained the situation.

The overarching point as to why birthrates are falling as countries develop or in developed countries is b/c as opportunities for women increase, birthrates tend to decrease. Many women in developing countries were in bad situations. Child marriages, rapes, lack of opportunity, dire poverty.
When they can do better, they don’t want to be tied to a dude they don’t like, buss out a bunch of babies, and be treated like shyt anymore.

Meanwhile higher fertility rates are often associated with poverty and high mortality rates.

“The decline has been steeper in urban areas than rural ones. “In urban areas, the TFR has come down from 4.1to 1.7 from 1971 to 2017 whereas the corresponding decline in rural areas has been from 5.4 to 2.4 during the same period,” the report reviewed by ET said.

One of the key reasons for the decline in fertility has been education, more precisely that of women. At the national level, 14.7% of the female population is reported illiterate.”
Literacy leaves its mark as fertility rate goes south

“More women are delaying having children, instead seeking higher education and fulfilling career paths.”
Why more women choosing to have fewer kids or none at all

Female Education and Childbearing: A Closer Look at the Data
In Africa
“The first figure (below) shows TFR trends over time in Ethiopia, Ghana and Kenya among women with varying levels of educational attainment. What it shows for all three countries is that there are striking differences in TFR between women with no schooling and women with a high school education.

Why does female education have a direct effect on fertility? The economic theory of fertility suggests an incentive effect: more educated women have higher opportunity costs of bearing children in terms of lost income. The household bargaining model suggests that more educated women are better able to support themselves and have more bargaining power, including on family size.”

I mean...what more do u want?
I’m not making shyt up.

Nothing you've posted disproves my initial point books

You claimed that women are fed up with men and that the world's birth rates are on a decline. That's what you've been saying

I said you're mistaking and that the worlds pop is on the rise

Then you moved the goal post to women being more educated and they don't want children because of that, then you preceded to show populations of developed countries which you will confirm your claims.

Which one is it? Are women fed up with men or are they more educated?

Cause if it's the latter that goes for both men and women

Even in the articles you posted are kinda sneaky

China has had a population crisis for 200 years. The reason they are pushing mothers to have more kid is because for at least 100 years most chinese families killed their daughters because of the one child policy. It's cultural shyt with them so I don't see why you're trying to make it like chinese women are having a revolution. They are in a communist dictatorship for godsake
The same with india who even tho they had a history of killing their daughter they still having hella kids. Even with millions of more men than women there.

Then you posted another article about asia and the 1st bullet point was that the worlds population is on a rise
Even then the article is about education which again everybody knows the more educated and wealthier becomes they have less kids.

It seems to me you're finding examples of what happens to developed and developing countries then using that to say women are becoming fed up
That isn't the case

Now I have a question for you then we can end this back and forth. If what you are saying is true, then why is the global pop expected to hit 10 billion by 2050?
Growing at a slower pace, world population is expected to reach 9.7 billion in 2050 and could peak at nearly 11 billion around 2100 | UN DESA | United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

Put the crack down.

Nobody said anything about marriage or that bullshyt you talking. We were talking about what YOU stated was the role of men.
YOU then said women should equally participate in these roles equality blah blah.

Which is where I said y'all did less of these roles because 1. Your less equipped to do them. 2. Men don't care about your ability to perform them. i.e equal value was not exchanged.

To point one. Let's use providing. We both know women are less able and likely to the heavy duty tasks back when we had agriculture based societies. Translates straight to today where women on average put in less overtime overall.

Which explains my second point. Men don't value male qualities in women. Because we were probably gonna do that shyt in the first place.

And before you start NO. Y'all ain't dying saving dudes lives either. Never even heard of instance of a woman trying to cover a man from gunfire or something.


Conclusion. We ain't equal. Yet somehow women were convinced y'all were always doing more under a situation in which a equivalent exchange was close.

Dude u all over the place. The whole fukking context for this conversation is MARRIAGE nikka.

That’s what this thread is about. That’s WHAT I was talking about in what u quoted me on.

What the hell have YOU been talking about?!

And u talking about women not contributing and all that brouhaha bullshyt when I CLEARLY gave u evidence to the contrary.

All the rest of that shyt is for the birds. It’s never going back to the way it used to be and for good reason. Either men and women learn healthier ways to interact or go the way of the dinosaurs.

I’m just gonna watch it all unfold. But getting in ur feelings won’t change the shyt I’m saying.

 

[PikaDaDon]

Fewer people are getting married because there’s a shortage of attractive, non-ratchet, non-obese single women

 

[lightbearerchef]

Its 2020 and niccas still dont know tha difference between our/ are, want/ wont

 

[lightbearerchef]

Fewer people are getting married because there’s a shortage of attractive, non-ratchet, non-obese single women