Finally read Cosbys whole speech. Why would a black person disagree?

[philmonroe]

To lambaste your people while omitting the systematic ailments that affects their plight, is not constructive criticism

Honestly thinking like you all blacks might as well off themselves when they first get a chance since they have no control of shyt and its all the white mans doing everything that's happened to you. I don't know why and how the fukk y'all want to live like that because that is failure mentality at its finest. I'm being real why even live if that's how you think lives are supposed to and will play out?

 

[jadillac]

regardless of him pointing out the obvious, the truth is, everyone born in the ghetto/projects etc is not gonna make it. Everyone's not gonna be a success story. The deck is just stacked too much, and in some cases i's hopeless.

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

Now I've heard it all. Wow. Check my post history you weirdo. How in the fukk can you remotely come to the conclusion that I'm white? Smarten up.

Im not one to toss around insults. But can you even read? When did i call you white?

 

[philmonroe]

and thats a statement for a black person that does not know their history.

my parents parents laid a helluva foundation. my parents came thru and crushed the buildings. yet i see more single mamas then ever before. yet i see more black men in jail then ever before. yet i see black folks running from education and not running to it. WHY?

because the further you go along the more the youth realizes it was all BULL.... They saw their folks working 3 times as hard to get .5 the benefits. thats issh gets old real quick. You are actually supposed to request more. requesting more is not you working 3 times as hard. its you working 1 times as hard to get 1 times the payoff like your white counterpart. You can fight for that. Thats what your previous generation or 2 showed you how to do back in the 60's and 70's.

People think we're lazy. thats not it. we're pissed off that we dont get what we deserve.

how long should i keep working 3 times as hard to give .5 of the results? for how long? thats not what my previous GEns wanted. they wanted me to be in a better situation. but we're not. we're stuck. we've reached the ceiling. the white man said, hey shut up nuccas, i gave yall diddy and jayz. enough is enough. shut up already. the youth is saying that aint enough we want more. we're still looking for that equality. i work 1 times as hard to get 1 times the payoff. and until then i aint working hard. thats the mentality you see. its actually a fighters mentality. thats a sit in. sit ins effected you just like it effected those you were sitting in on. it effects us now the same way. no difference.

We are not asians that came over here voluntarily. We built this country from scratch alongside white folks. We deserve more, not less. So you wont ever see our entire group of people keep quiet and setup shop behind closed doors for our people. naw, we deserve open equality just like white folks. We deserve to go any where we want to go and be accepted as equal.

Bold is sounding like you and the nikkas you surround yourself with doing this. I'm seeing opportunities every fukking day but cats taking all this stuff you talking are you fukking crazy? Dudes starting with little to no money investing in real estate, learning stocks, starting businesses (we need more of this), alternative ways of making money (YouTube, online consulting,etc), getting good jobs in health, computers, app making, and many other ways but dudes fukking whining? shyt is so disgusting and disrespectful to the "previous generations" you and the other should be ashamed of yourselves for talking such non sense.

Somebody failed some of y'all somewhere because if at least from a financial stand point you can't find something financially productive you have nobody to blame but yourself. Most of us on here aren't living no hard luck life and if you are you seriously need to get the fukk off the coli and get your shyt together first before being online.

Nobody on this site can't read up and do something like this man http://mobile.philly.com/classifieds/real_estate/?wss=/philly/classifieds/real_estate&id=282203311
Of course they can its out here but seriously dudes have to stop with the bullshyt and stop using the white supremacy crutch because while its out here (WS) its regular non athletes/entertainers making strides even with that. If they can why can't the next black person with similar circumstances? If not this something to set up your family up for future generations and leave a successful blueprint others may want to follow in the future.

 

[humble forever]

Reminder that this holier than thou motherfukker failed the tenth grade three times

I do think its positive to look inward and criticize oneself. Its not done enough and can be productive

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

Sorry that's a speech for the defeated. The reason why blacks have to work three times as hard is because they do not set up a system to ease the next generation burdens. We are constantly starting from scratch with every generation.

I like to look at it as blacks are the underdog up against the champ(whites). We not gonna win on points, we need a ko.

Yall act like white folks wanna give away power. And i dont blame them for fighting to keep it. Im no fool. But its sad that they fight harder to keep power than we fight to even defend our own againt white supremacy.

People act like the 60s and 70s never happened. Gangs was here protect the community so what happened?

Either blacks got jacked (mental) like slavery or we just fukked up. Dr. King and X spit truth and a segment of the community has regressed at this present time.

I guess im tryna say, we were(before i was born) one as a community. and united against rasicsts. Now that it has broken down again, sadly it isnt white peoples fault. We didnt keep it together.

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

regardless of him pointing out the obvious, the truth is, everyone born in the ghetto/projects etc is not gonna make it. Everyone's not gonna be a success story. The deck is just stacked too much, and in some cases i's hopeless.

Remember to tell you kids that.

To the best of my knowledge he was addressing poor people perse but those who perpetuate, condone, support and enable negativity.

 

[rapbeats]

Bold is sounding like you and the nikkas you surround yourself with doing this. I'm seeing opportunities every fukking day but cats taking all this stuff you talking are you fukking crazy? Dudes starting with little to no money investing in real estate, learning stocks, starting businesses (we need more of this), alternative ways of making money (YouTube, online consulting,etc), getting good jobs in health, computers, app making, and many other ways but dudes fukking whining? shyt is so disgusting and disrespectful to the "previous generations" you and the other should be ashamed of yourselves for talking such non sense.

Somebody failed some of y'all somewhere because if at least from a financial stand point you can't find something financially productive you have nobody to blame but yourself. Most of us on here aren't living no hard luck life and if you are you seriously need to get the fukk off the coli and get your shyt together first before being online.

Nobody on this site can't read up and do something like this man http://mobile.philly.com/classifieds/real_estate/?wss=/philly/classifieds/real_estate&id=282203311
Of course they can its out here but seriously dudes have to stop with the bullshyt and stop using the white supremacy crutch because while its out here (WS) its regular non athletes/entertainers making strides even with that. If they can why can't the next black person with similar circumstances? If not this something to set up your family up for future generations and leave a successful blueprint others may want to follow in the future.

slow down playboi, did you hear me say DONT get money? NO. did you hear me say dont use sound judgement(if you can, if that PTSD isnt affecting you as much as it is your neighbor next door)? Nope. you didnt hear me say anything like that at all. i'm just giving you the reals. not that fake prosperity foolishness. that will work for some but not for as many as you think.

We need to try every angle there is to try and try them all at the same time. not just one or two or three. Some of us aint built for the white mans ejumacation. some of us aint built to be business owners even if we had all of the knowledge. Some of us dont have that diddy, jigga hustla in us where we will go that hard for something we believe in. that means you cant preach that prosperity nonsense to everyone. because you would be lying to most and only talking to a very select few. It's like the get educated speech. you're not talking to many. you're talking to mostlyl gifted students(whether they were always recognized as such or not by their teachers). you're talking about diamonds in the rough. So what will happen to the masses? THe masses are the ones that are having babies at 16 by 4 different dudes. Do you know what the masses of white folks are doing? Going to work everyday, clocking in some kind of job and clocking out. not balling. but doing well enough to support a family. sure the economy sucks in comparison to the way it was. But they darn sure doing a lot better then black folks. Thats why we gotta stop telling half trues. Cos is on to something but thats only one part of it. thats a half truth. tell the entire story. Then give people ALL of their options.

The truth is, look.. you little nucca over there. you cant survive in the streets, you're to silly. silly people get got all the time because while they're playing, someone else is scheming. So what you need to do silly dude is this. You need to be a greater at someones restaurant. They need a silly dude like you at the front clowning, cracking jokes making everyone smile while they walk in. no you wont make a ton of money. but you wont be flat broke either and you wont be in jail neither. Look, if one day you wake up and want to parlay that personality of yours into something bigger. then fine, you can flip that into your own thing and start doing youtube blogger videos getting paid off of advertisement dollars, etc.

You over there. big black unattractive not that smart dude. lets be honest with ourselves. in this white man world. the odds of you going up into an office getting a job is beyond slim. You would have to be so much better then your peers it aint even funny. you dont really have a fun personality. But thats cool we can work with that. Lets use that size for something. UPS is hiring, FED ex. DHL. use them muscles to move them boxes and deliveries. Naw this aint baller status. But it will keep you out of jail and out of the grave a little longer(we all gotta die one day but today dont have to be that day). cause a nucca like you is destined to be somebodies goon. goons are seen as dummies. you aint no dummy. you just aint super smart. there's a difference. You can still do ok for yourself in life. the older you get, you might realize why work for the man when you can run a delivery business yourself. so no one will have to look at your unattractive self, looking like some scary giant goon. get that behind the scenes money my G.

You over there. cute chick from the hood. i know you got 4 baby's. i know you know how to catch a man. So lets put that to some good use. its cool you aint in love with school. i'm going to give you a 2 month study up on this real estate thing. then we are going to get you licensed. After that i want you to use that sexxy and that cute face to get these properties moved. by the way. do not sleep with the clients. just make them think you might want to one day.

^^^real talk. not that everybody goto college lie. or everybody quit college and become owners. everything isnt for everyone. so break that issh down for different types of people. now you can reach the masses too instead of only reaching a select group of elite(intelligence, or those with a solid upbringing).

 

[rapbeats]

I like to look at it as blacks are the underdog up against the champ(whites). We not gonna win on points, we need a ko.

Yall act like white folks wanna give away power. And i dont blame them for fighting to keep it. Im no fool. But its sad that they fight harder to keep power than we fight to even defend our own againt white supremacy.

People act like the 60s and 70s never happened. Gangs was here protect the community so what happened?

Either blacks got jacked (mental) like slavery or we just fukked up. Dr. King and X spit truth and a segment of the community has regressed at this present time.

I guess im tryna say, we were(before i was born) one as a community. and united against rasicsts. Now that it has broken down again, sadly it isnt white peoples fault. We didnt keep it together.

actually its a lot of white peoples fault for that too.

why? you've been fed by them that we black folks should play fairly. if you black man/woman end up owning a business the white man says you should hire the most competent person for the job. what if you interview one black guy, and one white chick. lets say the white girl has the better resume by far. white man says hire the white girl.

and guess what we fell for that. you know why? because we've been oppressed for so long its hard for us not to be extra fair. its in our nature not to be evil and selfish like that.

But the white man will not use his own rules he set for you, when its his turn to do the hiring. white man owns a business. two people interview. black girl with a great resume, and a white guy with half the resume she has. the white guy is getting hired. but bu bu i thought you said..fairness... they playing chess, we're playing checkers.

BUt we're playing checkers because we've been dumbed down into playing checkers. If you have already brainwashed and traumatized a person. its easy for you to put subliminal messages into that persons mind. I mean they got you worrying about Gay rights while yo black a... getting shot dead in the streets. And lets not forget that drug epidemic that they caused. if you traumatize a people for long enough. you will make them want quick relief. if you give them a chance to get quick relief on the cheap they will(crack)

it goes back to the natives and alcohol. same thing.

Now did you black person still have to make a choice? of course you did. But your reasoning skills are so out of wack due to all that trauma that was caused by white supremacy/racism

 

[Blackking]

Honestly thinking like you all blacks might as well off themselves when they first get a chance since they have no control of shyt and its all the white mans doing everything that's happened to you. I don't know why and how the fukk y'all want to live like that because that is failure mentality at its finest. I'm being real why even live if that's how you think lives are supposed to and will play out?

Actually, nobody thinks like this ^

The fact that This paragraph sums up your understanding of the situation means....... you didn't read the post in this thread. It also means that you're just as ignorant as Cosby.

 

[Blackking]

Gotcha. Then why aint his voice being heard. Why aint he reaching those blacks. He got the respect you want. He talk to you the way you want him to.

Where is the change at. Thats the point. Nobody can say anything unless its exactly who you want it to be. Now you got that person show me where he reaches these young blacks. And how they follow his words.

Oh yeah. It aint about change or awareness its only about if you shyt on whitety in the process. Cause we need that built in excuse that whitey didnt tell u to strap up after the 3rd child out of wedlock is born.

He reaches thousands of noi members weekly and 2x as many people who aren't noi.

His voice is being heard --- but the Congress and the Media have tried to censor him because he speaks Self Reliance and not depending on CACS -- but isn't ignorant as fukk like Cosby - so they can't use his words the way they use Cosbys words.

The damage that people like Bill Cosby and Deloras Tucker have done to blacks really can't be measured. I'm independent, but used to be active GOP ( just to try it out for a few years) .. used to be very active in politics............. and the ignorance that Elite and ignorant blacks in the media spit -- is THE MOST POWERFUL TOOL OF WHITE supremacy and CACs LOVE that shyt more than anything.

There is a good reason every white conservative wrapped their arms around cosby.... Even during this Rape scandal... % wise more of them defended him than blacks in the media. There is nothing a CAC loves more than blatantly unapologetic c00nery wrap in the guise of Black Self REliance Speeches.


Peace.

 

[Malikthegod]

The damage that people like Bill Cosby and Deloras Tucker have done to blacks really can't be measured.


Peace.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Bill Cosby has done more GOOD than harm. From providing positive images of the black family to donating millions of his own money, I don't think anyone in recent history has done more for the image of black people in the media.

A lot of people were offended by his speech, but as the saying goes a hit dog is going to holler. If he isn't speaking about you, why are you mad? And I saw someone say he just finger wagged without addressing systematic white supremacy, but so what? At this point if you have 2 brain cells you can figure out for yourself that the cards are stacked against and this system makes it very hard for you to win. If he uses his platform to speak about it, do you think CaCs are going to just suddenly stop CaCing? So are you going to sit and complain about it, or learn and adapt so you can win?

 

[Yup]

I swear some of you guys are hopeless...it must be a tragic life to feel so helpless. I think that many blacks who are like minded need to come together and work together. It is pointless to try to preach to others who don't follow the same train of throught. The excuses will always be plenty but the actions slim...

So I am guessing every speech that is catered to the black community has to have a disclaimer stating how white people are the cause of all black ills with 10% of the speech mentioning accountability in order to appease you guys.

I am personally sick and tired to hear about the white power structure and how it keeps the black man down and how whites secretly fear how powerful blacks are. All this is....is complacency. There are times whem whites need to be called out and there are times when blacks need to be called out for their destructive behaviour.

For my Christian brehs...you look at the story of the Jews in the bible...god spend more time chastising/punishing them than he did those that were mistreating the jews. Just cause you are being victimized doesn't mean that you can't be held accountable for your personal behaviour. In addition, demanding accountability is in no way diminishing the fact that you are being victimized.

Seems like this generation find more ways than one to say why they cannot achieve when they have opportunities that previous generation could only dream of.

Yes I can attest, that many blacks are lazy and are comfortable in the dysfunction/matrix than to venture out of it. Bmthe black collective often times than not do not like to be called out unless it is coated in pounds of arse kissing and ego stroking.

However, what I do agree with, is that many of these discussions should be had in private company.

For those waiting for whites to change the systen so that blacks can 'eat', let me tell you this:

Blacks endured 4 centuries of slavery, colonized by several european powers, went through the civil rights movement, endured neocolonialism and after all this are still suffering the impact of all these ills today. With modern problems such as police brutality/higg incarceration rates/economic destabilization and the list go on. Does that sound like a people who will change a ssystem so that you can 'eat'?

Sounds like more a people adapting their system of oppression with every new generation.

I acknowledge the harm(disenfranchisement/oppression) that blacks have endured worldwide but how long do y'all plan on singing the same song? Another century, two...perhaps a millenia? This where having a large population means nothing in the grand scheme of things if there isn't a think tank to redirect our collective.

Blacks have the right to be angry/exasperated/etc...but please let it fuel change not lazy rhetoric of whites taking acountability of what they have done because it's either never going to happen, be insincere, or be sincere but will not inspire any long term changes. Why? Cause they have everything to lose and we have everything to gain. These people can barely stand when blacks have an inch and they have a mile but some of y'all expect them to one day be fair amd split.

The world is for those that take and not those that I have their hands out...!

A lot of you would do better to have no expectation of whites/others and starting taking what you deserve.

Drops mic...

 

[Blackking]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Bill Cosby has done more GOOD than harm. From providing positive images of the black family to donating millions of his own money, I don't think anyone in recent history has done more for the image of black people in the media.

A lot of people were offended by his speech, but as the saying goes a hit dog is going to holler. If he isn't speaking about you, why are you mad? And I saw someone say he just finger wagged without addressing systematic white supremacy, but so what? At this point if you have 2 brain cells you can figure out for yourself that the cards are stacked against and this system makes it very hard for you to win. If he uses his platform to speak about it, do you think CaCs are going to just suddenly stop CaCing? So are you going to sit and complain about it, or learn and adapt so you can win?

The irony of your name being Malik and capping for Cosby is just (and i bet you don't even know why)


And to think that Cosby said something new and Profound ---and that people like him, aren't full of empty rhetoric is just

To NOT realize why people aren't going hard at Carter Wilson, farrakhan, Malcolm x, mlk, and others for saying related things - But go at people like Delorus Tucker and Bill Cosby and Alan Keys is


To not know the real reason Cosby was loved by the media and to not realize why the most racist whites in the nation capp for him and ONly people like him is just

To think,,, A grown Man saying shyt like --- " pull up your pants, only use European names, and try harder to adopt to white culture, ignore the realities of your situation, And Lets all generalize and diss poor blacks" its just


To not know that the NAACP and virtually every group that Cosby supports is founded by whites , controlled by whites, and used by whites is just plain...

 

[Blackking]

I swear some of you guys are hopeless...it must be a tragic life to feel so helpless. I think that many blacks who are like minded need to come together and work together. It is pointless to try to preach to others who don't follow the same train of throught. The excuses will always be plenty but the actions slim...

So I am guessing every speech that is catered to the black community has to have a disclaimer stating how white people are the cause of all black ills with 10% of the speech mentioning accountability in order to appease you guys.

No, The speech just has to have more facts than opinions and actually offer solutions.

I am personally sick and tired to hear about the white power structure and how it keeps the black man down and how whites secretly fear how powerful blacks are. All this is....is complacency. There are times whem whites need to be called out and there are times when blacks need to be called out for their destructive behaviour.

ALL blacks need to be called out and generalized? That must be what your saying...because less than 30% of Blacks even fit into the target of this rhetoric yet most blacks suffer from stigmas. Over 45% of whites fit into the ignorant categories.. yet whites are hardly generalize. Most groups don't suffer once they reach a professional level - because the masses of them aren't held Accountable for the most ignorant who look like them. Only Mid-East Arabs have suffered such generalizations. As far as white supremacy - How does speaking on the realities of a situation - negatively affect motivation in changing that situation? It doesn't. 100% of the people who have ever catalyzed positive change have also spoke on the roots of the problems. Anyone who equates 'speaking on conditions and situations' to suffering from Complacency--- Needs to be called out For what they truly are. Check the post history if Each on of these people, including yourself... CASE CLOSED.

For my Christian brehs...you look at the story of the Jews in the bible...god spend more time chastising/punishing them than he did those that were mistreating the jews. Just cause you are being victimized doesn't mean that you can't be held accountable for your personal behaviour. In addition, demanding accountability is in no way diminishing the fact that you are being victimized.

God spent time chastising them..... but he also punished others.. and just because the Bible doesn't write about each act that happened on Earth that doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Jews were punished because they were fukking up and Moses couldn't enter because he fukked up. They were no longer in the land of their oppressors - IS WHEN god started holding them accountable. Fail to understand the lessons in the Bible Brehs. Use the Bible as a source Brehs

Seems like this generation find more ways than one to say why they cannot achieve when they have opportunities that previous generation could only dream of.

Simply isn't true, lol.

Yes I can attest, that many blacks are lazy and are comfortable in the dysfunction/matrix than to venture out of it.

TheColi.com,

Blacks endured 4 centuries of slavery, colonized by several european powers, went through the civil rights movement, endured neocolonialism and after all this are still suffering the impact of all these ills today. With modern problems such as police brutality/higg incarceration rates/economic destabilization and the list go on. Does that sound like a people who will change a ssystem so that you can 'eat'?

Sounds like more a people adapting their system of oppression with every new generation.

I acknowledge the harm(disenfranchisement/oppression) that blacks have endured worldwide but how long do y'all plan on singing the same song? Another century, two...perhaps a millenia? This where having a large population means nothing in the grand scheme of things if there isn't a think tank to redirect our collective.

Blacks have the right to be angry/exasperated/etc...but please let it fuel change not lazy rhetoric of whites taking acountability of what they have done because it's either never going to happen, be insincere, or be sincere but will not inspire any long term changes. Why? Cause they have everything to lose and we have everything to gain. These people can barely stand when blacks have an inch and they have a mile but some of y'all expect them to one day be fair amd split.

Master of the obvious. And News flash - just because someone is stating negative facts doesn't mean they are angry. Or is it that speaking on social situations in America automatically make you "exasperated" , lol. To be honest, poor and ignorant blacks don't hear these speeches. Take a person like me , with more funds than I could know what to do with right now........ The vast majority of people who call out these c00ns , call them out because the image of black people should not be generalized and stigmatized. Period.

The world is for those that take and not those that I have their hands out...!

Black struggle on the road to success more than any other group......... higher education and success rates increase each year.... What handouts are being taken? All black people do is take, often times we have to take back what we've built and developed.

Drops mic..

one of the worst post in the history of the coli , even bad for
@Yup young troll standards.