For Hogan to be the hero, he sure did a lotta heel-type sh*t.

[DANJ!]

This is what happened at that Mania.

Hart was scheduled to lose to Yoko. Hogan, finding this out, convinced Vince to let him win because Hogan believed sending fans upset home at Mania was not the right thing to do. So he went in there (at the blessing of Hart you see that he asked him if he could go in) and beat Yoko for the belt. He did show up on TV with the belt a few times but not many. The whole plan that on his way out he would put over someone and that one was Yoko - he did not think Hart could be the guy. Honestly, if you watch the HUGE pop he got for winning the belt at the end why do people argue with him? I'm not saying I liked it.

Hart/Hogan/Yoko all knew the deal of that Mania and agreed with it, I feel like it's in Bret's book and I feel like he didn't have anything negative to say about that event - I could be off but it's been a long time since I read it.

But this whole crap about Vince not trusting young stars or something, what are you talking about, Hogan was still on the roster so they had to use him until they couldn't. He is fukking Hulk Hogan. He started the "New Generation" after that so obviously he was ready for new young stars.

Obviously Hogan is legendary for shady backstage shyt, but I mean, if no one is even going to attempt to stop him then why would he stop? For example at that Mania, Yoko and Hart both could have threw a fit - they didn't.

As far as everything else, all the Andre shyt you typed was COMPLETELY off. Andre was nearing the end of his career and he put over Hogan. It was completely up to Andre if he wanted to beat Hogan, Hogan has talked about this multiple times. He has not been the best source on anything, but he has always been straight up on Andre - that's his hero.

As far as the Andre thing, I know about the backstage story- I'm not faulting the real life Hogan/Andre friendship. I'm talking about the on-screen Hogan/Andre friendship. That's all the original post is about- not a commentary on Hogan in real life, but the character on TV. The character on TV was heroic, but also did a lot of selfish things, especially to his allies. Just seems a lil' off in hindsight.

As far as the Hogan/Yoko/Bret situation, I don't doubt that the Mania IX was agreed upon before they went out there and did it... but Hogan did pretty much manipulate that shyt to his benefit. At that time, WWF was coming into a new era and I understood that they had to use him while they still had him, but it's been said (even by Bret) that Hogan's involvement in that whole thing came about through Hogan still having the influence to convince Vince. He then went on to barely even show up on TV with the belt, dropped it to Yoko because he didn't feel Bret was ready... if Vince was really ready to jump with the new stars, I don't see how stuff like that woulda even happened. It took Hogan dropping the belt and leaving for it to finally become about the new generation. Before that, it was very much about Hogan/Warrior/Savage/Flair, and once all of them were out of the equation (within a matter of months no less), the WWF FINALLY moved along.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Sheeeeit... not only did they edit the crowd reaction... they edited Gorilla's commentary On the live show, he's clearly saying hey, it's every man for himself. Then on TV, they got him sayin' Sid double-crossed him. Anything to make Hogan the good guy, no matter how in the wrong he was. Wild!

wow..rings a bell.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

This whole thread is

 

[Mikael Blowpiff]

Bret didnt wanna job to hogan


used Yoko as the middle man



Hart dynasty continues....yall die

Bret ain't have that kind of stroke.

Spoiler

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

WWE practically buried Hogan on the way out in '93 if you pay attention to the commentary and the way the rematch with Yoko played out.

There was definitely some hate there between he and management.

 

[jackswstd]

fukk y'all for ruining my childhood memories of the man who got me into watching this shyt. Selfish muthafukkers!

 

[Grifter]

Bret ain't have that kind of stroke.

Spoiler

Won't even ask you how.

 

[Grifter]

From Wikipedia:

The majority of Hogan's matches during this time involved him wrestling heels who had been booked as unstoppable monsters, using a format which became near-routine: Hogan would deliver steady offense, but eventually lose momentum, seemingly nearing defeat. He would then experience a sudden second wind, fighting back while "feeding" off the energy of the audience, becoming impervious to attack—a process described as "Hulking up". His signature maneuvers—pointing at the opponent (which would later be accompanied by a loud "YOU!" from the audience), shaking his finger to scold him, three punches, an Irish Whip, the big boot and running leg drop—would follow and ensure him a victory. That finishing sequence would occasionally change depending on the storyline and opponent; for instance, with "Giant" wrestlers, the sequence might involve a body slam.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

I DID IT FO DUH ROCK, BROTHER!

THE BACK RAKE IS A PERFECTLY VALID BABYFACE MOVE!

 

[Slystallion]

The height of Hogan's egomania backstage basically.

Demanded that this happen or he would no-show Mania. Vince agreed because he was panicking over losing a lot of top stars and WWF's popularity declining at the time. Lets Hogan win the belt, then Hogan decides he won't do any TV, won't put Hart over, and basically won't do shyt that he doesn't feel like doing. Finally Vince decides to say "fukk Hulk", has him lose the title to Yoko at KOTR, and stops dealing with him.

This seems like a pretty bias recollection. Vince discussed with Hogan who he should lose the belt too and Hogan for some reason thought it would be better to put over yoko as a monster heel. It worked out well for Bret when he beat yoko at mania 10. Granted an epic hogan Hart match would have been crazy. And trust Vince didn't want to lose Hogan at the time Ted Turner offered more money and a tv movie and show deal on tbs. Vince tried everything he could to make Lex Luger the new Hulk Hogan.

And that mania 9 was my greatest mark out moment f*ck you the crowd liked it and so did all the other 8-10 yr olds that watched wrestling at the time.

 

[Bud Bundy]

I DID IT FO DUH ROCK, BROTHER!

THE BACK RAKE IS A PERFECTLY VALID BABYFACE MOVE!

acting like you aint tell them what you were all about from your entrance music

When it comes crashing down, and it hurts inside;
ya' gotta take a stand, it don't help to hide.
Well, you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride;
I gotta be a man--I can't let it slide

I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man;
I am a real American, fight for what's right--fight for your life!

I don't feel too strong about right and wrong; Yea
And I don't take trouble for very long. Yeahayea
I got somethin' deep inside of me and courage is the thing that keeps us free.

I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man;
I am a real American, fight for what's right--fight for your life!
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man;
I am a real American, fight for what's right--fight for your life!

Well you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride.
I gotta be a man--I can't let it slide!

I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man;
I am a real American, fight for what's right--fight for your life!
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man;
I am a real American, fight for what's right--fight for your life!

 

[Golayitdown]

First post is the gospel ....

 

[TheBigBopper]

Hogan also used steel chairs when the ref wasn't looking, eye rake and back rake all the time too

I've always wondered about this too. Granted, I was even alive during most of Hogan's run, but I go back and watch his matches and wonder how this guy could have even been pitched as a goody two-shoes kid-friendly babyface. Dude unambiguously cheated whenever he could, even if it was unprovoked. John Cena is cleaner and more square dealing than Hogan was, which is surprising considering that the 80s was a more wholesome decade.

 

[mr x]

I've always wondered about this too. Granted, I was even alive during most of Hogan's run, but I go back and watch his matches and wonder how this guy could have even been pitched as a goody two-shoes kid-friendly babyface. Dude unambiguously cheated whenever he could, even if it was unprovoked. John Cena is cleaner and more square dealing than Hogan was, which is surprising considering that the 80s was a more wholesome decade.

at this guy not letting savage win square and fair

 

[DANJ!]

Macho Man Randy Savage Wins the WWF Title - YouTube

at this guy not letting savage win square and fair

Nah, can't say this wasn't right. It went perfectly with the whole storyline and it legitimized Savage as a main eventer. This was right after Andre/DiBiase had fukked Hogan over for the belt, so of course he was gonna get his payback. And of course it solidified the MegaPowers, which also put Savage over big. I can't imagine a clean one on one finish being as memorable as that was. It gave you Hogan getting his payback on DiBiase, a new champion, and an official alliance of the top two faces.

Only thing I will say that coulda been done different, was that they kinda had Savage up under Hogan too much after the win. They coulda tried to let the man do SOMETHING on his own, but everything of importance that he did for that whole year he was champ involved Hogan.