For the good of the party, Joe Biden needs to drop out of the race.

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bzb

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Regardless of the validity of his defenses, do you think a circus like THAT will energize the folks that stayed home in 2016
this is the gop's plan. make it as ugly as possible so folks are just sick and tired of the whole thing. best believe chump has binders of insults and tons of mud to sling at whoever the nominee is.

i agree biden has liabilities and although a case can be made for him to drop out i just dont see it happening. he doesn't have the nom locked up, but he has the lead. if bernie or warren want it they'll have to take it.

to be honest i still haven't decided who i'm pulling for yet, but it may take some combination of the front runners to win. i don't think the "anyone but chump" feeling a lot of people have will energize enough votes to beat him.
 

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The economy is and has been sour for the working class and the poor. If you can get the main people who have been so hurt and disillusioned by the politicians and the political process as a whole active with a real vision that doesn't leave them treading water, there are a lot of people that chose Trump as the lesser evil candidate that wouldn't have to this time around.

I agree re:the economy BUT

There is a segment of people out there that think the economy is going great but they just havent been able to capitalize on it yet..not necessarily that they cant capitalize on it at all. Those people need to be convinced that there are legit mechanisms holding them back
 

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I agree re:the economy BUT

There is a segment of people out there that think the economy is going great but they just havent been able to capitalize on it yet..not necessarily that they cant capitalize on it at all. Those people need to be convinced that there are legit mechanisms holding them back
this is exactly what i've been saying, we just have vastly different opinions on how many people this "segment" is. i think it's most of the country :yeshrug: this is america, it's how people think
 

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I dunno breh :patrice:

Those bernie supporters ride hard for him. I see the movement this time around and the energy. Four years later it's still going strong.

If They gonna be disappointed twice and I see them not voting for a centrist rather than the other way around. Just to be petty.
bernie bros are sexist, they would vote for a man :heh:
 

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The economy is and has been sour for the working class and the poor. If you can get the main people who have been so hurt and disillusioned by the politicians and the political process as a whole active with a real vision that doesn't leave them treading water, there are a lot of people that chose Trump as the lesser evil candidate that wouldn't have to this time around.
It’s bigger than just getting the working poor to vote against him. Trump has been great for the stock market. Big money may act like they detest trump but they love what he has done for their portfolios and tax burdens. Trump winning the nomination was an accident but him becoming the president wasn’t. When he ceases being lucrative then he will be replaced.
 

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The economy is and has been sour for the working class and the poor. If you can get the main people who have been so hurt and disillusioned by the politicians and the political process as a whole active with a real vision that doesn't leave them treading water, there are a lot of people that chose Trump as the lesser evil candidate that wouldn't have to this time around.

I'm not sure "economic anxiety" is really what got Trump elected though if we're keeping it 100. :francis:
 

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I'm not sure "economic anxiety" is really what got Trump elected though if we're keeping it 100. :francis:
his base loves that he's an ignorant, loudmouth racist, but that's not enough to get him elected by itself. they're only about 40%. it comes down to the if the dems fail to provide a viable alternative in 2020, when trump is running on 3.5 unemployment and a record high stock market

people are gonna be wary of throwing that out, in favor of guaranteed higher taxes coupled with promises that the government may or may not deliver on :yeshrug:

frankly im wary of it myself. i want the government to do a better job punishing business criminals, and passing harsher regulations on the healthcare industry, but medicare for all that's run by the government can get the fukk outta here :mjlol::camby:
 
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his base loves that he's an ignorant, loudmouth racist, but that's not enough to get him elected by itself. they're only about 40%. it comes down to the if the dems fail to provide a viable alternative in 2020, when trump is running on 3.5 unemployment and a record high stock market

people are gonna be wary of throwing that out, in favor of guaranteed higher taxes coupled with promises that the government may or may not deliver on :yeshrug:

frankly im wary of it myself. i want the government to do a better job punishing business criminals, and passing harsher regulations on the healthcare industry, but medicare for all that's run by the government can get the fukk outta here :mjlol::camby:
Government can’t even keep the VA running properly for vets and their going to handle nationwide healthcare for 300 million Americans? :martin:
 

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Government can’t even keep the VA running properly for vets and their going to handle nationwide healthcare for 300 million Americans? :martin:
i mean these motherfukkers couldnt name ONE government program that was done on budget, or under budget, but im supposed to believe that medicare for all will be done under budget? :laff:

how could anyone read the fukking budget for FY2020 and come back with a straight face and say "yes, i want and trust this same entity to run medicare for all?" :laff:
 

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Biden 2020: what do we want...more of the same...when do we want it..now!! That's not a winning strategy....nobody is excited for Biden

There's a reason Trump won, people feel like they've gotten fukked for 50 years and here comes the snake oil salesman with the cure.

70 percent of Americans support 'Medicare for all' proposal

Study: Most Americans want to kill ‘Citizens United’ with constitutional amendment

https://www.washingtonpost.com/clim...234db0-cd2a-11e9-87fa-8501a456c003_story.html

So that's the comfortable majority of Americans supporting Universal Healthcare, believe climate change is caused by humans and is a crisis, and getting big donors out of politics. Yet all of these are at basically a deadlock or stand fukk all chance of happening in a "democracy".
 

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Centrist Dems would rather lose to Trump again than have Bernie win.

Add to that list the mainstream media.

Every other commercial on news channels is an ad for a Pharma drug. Of course they don't wan't some old guy fukking with their golden goose.

Bernie really is Neo outchea. He is a threat to the whole damn system and that's why they hate him so much.
 

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No the fukk they won't.

They by in large would 100% lose the election to Trump than have Bernie win because at the very least, nothing for THEM changes, they can continue collecting checks and donations from the same people Trump gets them from. They would gladly tank the election to keep Bernie Sanders from putting a spotlight on the corruption going both ways in Washington.

He is the left's version of Trump in the sense that the party tried their damnedest (and failed) to keep him from winning and rearranging the party in his image. A Bernie Sanders victory isn't just 4 years til the next cycle, he's not a stop gap. A Sanders presidency is a referendum of neoliberalism and croney capitalism that defines what "Democrat" means to the average person in this country.

Preach.
 

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Only reason they want Joe to drop out is because they know he’s going to win the nomination.
my friend, this is not the same logic.

The dem primaries are not the same as the full on general election vs trump. The reasoning being is math.

There's this thing called the electoral college which is the only reason trump beat hillary to begin with. its not about who will get the most votes in america. its who will get the most Electoral college points.
How did HIl lose? she didnt win enough swing/purple states. she won all of the obvious blue dem states, lost the obvious red ones. and lost too many swing states. this means, trump turned some purple states red and that was enough to beat her via the EC points.

Do you understand this ATL? Do All of you responding understand this math? I'm asking because if you do not understand this. we can't even have the Op's discussion.

So lets assume you understand the above. then you have to ask a simple question. With the given already known. any Dem that wins the primaries, will automatically get every single obvious blue state. Do we Agree? If any of you dont agree, prove me wrong with some recent historic information to back it up. otherwise we will roll with this point.

ANY DEM THAT WINS their Primary will win ALL DEM states in the General vs trump.

Trump will win all Red states.

So now we're back in 2016 again. who's going to win ENOUGH Swing states/Purple states?

creepy bad ideas centrist known loser Joe Biden?
so called socialst Bernie?
Liz the native american?
They created me with a 3d printer Mayor Pete?
UBI will cure cancer too, Yang?

steyer dont count, bloomberg does not count.

Which one of those people will win enough purple states?

Go look at the polls in 2016, who polled the best in purple states hillary or Bernie? Bernie (that should've told you all you need to know.) for a guy that is hated by most main stream press. for the people to still know enough about him back then to say they would vote for him over hil and over trump. should tell you something. it means his message has broken thru against ALL odds. that means his message is stronger than trumps and hils because both of them were getting major media play.

The same is true today.

the only reason people are rolling with joe is due to obama. no other reason aside from that. which means he will not bring any new people out to vote. why would i talk about new people? because you need to bring out people who stayed home in those purple states, and/or new voters who never vote(usually the young, or just turned 18 types).

yall do realize hilary barely lost in those swing states. which means a few 1000 votes here and there and bam that lady woudl've been the first lady pres. dont make the same mistake twice america.

Bernie is THEE only candidate right now, that has non voters excited and new young voters excited.

You will say but but but the old guard doesnt like him. doesnt matter. They will vote blue regardless of who the nominee is, once the general hits. so we have them in the bag. this is not a case of getting the people who you dont have to campaign to get. its about getting people off their butts that didnt vote last time and new voters that may be on the fence about voting this time.

Bernie is thee only candidate thats doing that. as much as young people like yang. its not young non voters. its young well off educated voters that already vote. sure he will have some young asian 18 yr olds. as he should. but that may not be enough. bernie is bringing ev..ery body out. all races, all ages..and most of those people who dont vote. people that are seeing their money come up short no matter what trump's economy numbers say.
 
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