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i mean these motherfukkers couldnt name ONE government program that was done on budget, or under budget, but im supposed to believe that medicare for all will be done under budget? :laff:

how could anyone read the fukking budget for FY2020 and come back with a straight face and say "yes, i want and trust this same entity to run medicare for all?" :laff:
lets say M4A is over budget by some margin. No matter how you slice it, it will STILL save america money vs the way things currently are.

People love talking about the budget when it has to do with the welfare of the people. but no one asks those questions when we're going to war accept for a select few. no one cares when they ask for money for the military. no one asks when we are giving corporations worth billions kickbacks to move their businesses around from one state to another.

all you need to know is this. will M4A be a cheaper more efficient way to run healthcare in the US? YES. and thats even if its over the projected budget.
 

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Bernie need to run on an independent ticket and no use the dem platform as a crutch
the moment he does that. the vote will be split. the centrist will vote dem like they always do. the rest will vote for bernie. and all republicans will vote republican even if some feel like they may like someone other than the nominee(trump at this point in time.)

thats why at this time its not doable. we would have to change the way we vote in order to truly incorporate another part or parties where there would be no more splitting the vote nonsense. and lastly the corporate centrist hi-jacked the dem party from the people like bernie decades ago. that was what the dem party represented (dem socialism) . do your homework and your history.
 

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lets say M4A is over budget by some margin. No matter how you slice it, it will STILL save america money vs the way things currently are.

People love talking about the budget when it has to do with the welfare of the people. but no one asks those questions when we're going to war accept for a select few. no one cares when they ask for money for the military. no one asks when we are giving corporations worth billions kickbacks to move their businesses around from one state to another.

all you need to know is this. will M4A be a cheaper more efficient way to run healthcare in the US? YES. and thats even if its over the projected budget.
does bernie's medicare for all math take into account, replacing millions of private healthcare workers with millions of unaccountable government workers who can retire when they turn 55 with full pensions? i havent heard bernie bring that up once :ehh:

im voting for bernie, but im sorry; i dont trust the government to do this effectively :dead:
 

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the moment he does that. the vote will be split. the centrist will vote dem like they always do. the rest will vote for bernie. and all republicans will vote republican even if some feel like they may like someone other than the nominee(trump at this point in time.)

thats why at this time its not doable. we would have to change the way we vote in order to truly incorporate another part or parties where there would be no more splitting the vote nonsense. and lastly the corporate centrist hi-jacked the dem party from the people like bernie decades ago. that was what the dem party represented (dem socialism) . do your homework and your history.
Bernie bros mad :umad:

fukk out of here you clown :mjlol:
 

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does bernie's medicare for all math take into account, replacing millions of private healthcare workers with millions of unaccountable government workers who can retire when they turn 55 with full pensions? i havent heard bernie bring that up once :ehh:
does getting rid of fossile fuel use do that? did making airplanes, cars, trains, vs horseback think about those raising horses? how about the guys controlling the horses when you would ride in the buggy they were pulling?

this is how it works and always has worked. when an industry dies a new one makes room for Some of the old people from the old industry. and the rest have to find something else to do. remember you're talking to someone who works in the industry and has done for for over a decade. i'm technically voting against my own economic interest for the greater good of all. I'm different like that. but I also know, healthcare aint thee only industry to work for. I bet you a lot of healthcare workers be popping off at the mouth when they hear old coal miners talking about bring back coal. calling them stupid and saying we need to go green. well if that happens we know all those miners aint getting new green jobs. some are. but not all. same thing here. for the greater good trumps the job market in that area.
 

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this is exactly what i've been saying, we just have vastly different opinions on how many people this "segment" is. i think it's most of the country :yeshrug: this is america, it's how people think
wrong, you dont believe this at all. you want to project your personal opinion onto MOST. its not true at all. go outside and ask people. i dare you. they will not say the economy is doing well. thats a talking point. most people dont even know what that means. our GDP could grow but the individual employee could be taking a L. how? a very small population of people could be consuming most of that growth. which is how the super rich get even more super rich.pay attention.
 

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My homework is done.. Bernie been a leech for the better part of 4 decades
how is bernie a leach from the party the corporate class stole from the people.

DO

YOUR
HOMEWORK
stop replying in here with this nonsense.

forget it, i'll do it for you.

Definition and Summary of the New Deal Coalition
Summary and Definition: A coalition is a temporary alliance that joins factions or groups with overlapping interests. The New Deal Coalition was an alliance of voters who supported FDR's New Deal programs. The Great Depression had led to a Democratic landslide for FDR, supported by voters from different walks of life and ethnic groups with differing needs. Republican impotence in the face of the Great Depression had resulted in a shift in traditional party allegiance. The implementation of FDR's New Deal, that had benefited millions of voters, created a realignment of political views. This enabled FDR to construct a new political coalition, referred to as the New Deal Coalition, that established a solid Democratic majority.

The New Deal Coalition
Franklin D Roosevelt was the 32nd American President who served in office from March 4, 1933 to April 12, 1945. One of the important events during his presidency was the New Deal Coalition.

US American History

1929-1945: Depression & WW2

FDR's New Deal




New Deal Coalition Facts for kids
The following fact sheet contains interesting facts and information on FDR's Coalition of voters for kids.

Facts about the New Deal Coalition for kids

New Deal Coalition Fact 1: The key support of the Democratic Party had traditionally been amongst the white voters in the south but the Republicans were blamed for the Great Depression and their inadequate response to the economic crisis that had gripped the nation.

New Deal Coalition Fact 2: The benefits of FDR's New Deal had triggered a political realignment with long standing Republicans changing their vote to the Democratic Party.

New Deal Coalition Fact 3: The US presidential election of 1936 saw President Franklin D. Roosevelt re-elected in a landslide victory for the Democrats carrying 46 of the 48 states and receiving 98.49% of the electoral vote.

New Deal Coalition Fact 4: The New Deal Coalition of voters backing FDR was established with a solid Democratic majority.

New Deal Coalition Fact 5: The groups who were key components of the New Deal Coalition and contributed to the creation of the Democratic majority included women, farmers, African Americans, labor unions, new immigrants, seniors, Jews, Roman Catholics, intellectuals, progressives and liberals

New Deal Coalition Fact 6: African Americans had been severely hit by the Great Depression as the group most devastated by unemployment. The Civil Works Administration had provided more than a quarter of a million young black men with jobs. A few found work Public Works Administration (PWA). Most importantly support given to the cause of civil rights by both Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt gave the African American community hope for the future.

Facts about the New Deal Coalition for kids

Facts about the New Deal Coalition for kids - FDR's Coalition of voters
The following fact sheet continues with facts about FDR's Coalition of voters for kids.

Facts about New Deal Coalition for kids

New Deal Coalition Fact 7: Women recognized that FDR’s New Deal programs supported the concept of equality and appreciated that the president had appointed the first female cabinet member, Frances Perkins, as Secretary of Labor. Other women gained important administrative positions in a variety of New Deal agencies and programs. The influence of Eleanor Roosevelt had an enormous impact on American women

New Deal Coalition Fact 8: Much of FDR's New Deal was designed to help farmers such as the Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) and addressed problems in rural areas by establishing the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA)

New Deal Coalition Fact 9: New Deal legislation had gained support of the labor Unions. The National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA) had given workers the right to organize and bargain collectively and established codes to address many issues including minimum wages, working hours and productivity.

New Deal Coalition Fact 10: The Unemployed, Senior citizens and the disabled gave FDR support due to the prospect of Social insurance which would establish a national pension fund and an unemployment insurance system. Their confidence in the president was well placed when the Social Security Act of 1935 was passed.

New Deal Coalition Fact 11: Religious minorities gave the president support as the FDR administration staffed new agencies with talented Jews and Roman Catholics

New Deal Coalition Fact 12: Ethnic minorities, many from new immigrant groups, derived benefits from the New Deal Programs as President Roosevelt displayed a sensitivity to life in urban American

^^Sure sounds more like Bernie sanders than it does joe Biden.
 
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