French 2017 Presidential Election - (MACRON WINS)

[thatrapsfan]

I'm not saying we're better than the US or anything but simply that the step from right to far right is bigger here (in France specifically, I don't anywhere else) than it is in the US. Sarkozy even though conservative always kept his distance with the far right. In his second election, he tried to play a harder position, in order to steal votes from them and he got beaten easily by Hollande who was a by default PS candidate (with Strauss Khan fukking up).

Even though the taboo of voting far right died in 2002, there's still a strict border between LR and FN and it is badly seen from the right to mingle with the far right (which doesn't mean it is not happening). Le Pen did a great work (no lie) to dilute her hard image and appears to be very electable for many. Unlike her father who was caught numerous times with racism, bigotry, xenophobia, revisionism etc., the daughter never slipped once and is very careful. But still the name Le Pen is not appreciated by a majority of French which is what counts in the second round.

For your 'being xenophobe and be liberal', do you have an example in mind in France or is it a general statement ? Because I disagree with you on that one. Usually, being economically and culturally conservative go hand in hand with being morally and socially conservative over here too.

I was responding more to your analogies between American politicians on the French political spectrum. They may apply when considering economic policy but not so much on social/cultural positions IMO. My point was a general one though not France-specific where I defer to your knowledge.

For example I think of a guy like Geert Wilders who is very liberal on social issues, but very xenophobic when it comes to the country's Muslim minority. Or of Scandinavian anti-immigrant parties that still hold progressive positions on economy etc. I cant readily think of a similar combination of political views in the States.

All of this shows how important history, context, etc is when it comes to politics. Some things considered mostly a consensus issue in one country are divisive in the other ( or even within different parts of the country as it is in Canada)

 

[Liu Kang]

I was responding more to your analogies between American politicians on the French political spectrum. They may apply when considering economic policy but not so much on social/cultural positions IMO. My point was a general one though not France-specific where I defer to your knowledge.

For example I think of a guy like Geert Wilders who is very liberal on social issues, but very xenophobic when it comes to the country's Muslim minority. Or of Scandinavian anti-immigrant parties that still hold progressive positions on economy etc. I cant readily think of a similar combination of political views in the States.

All of this shows how important history, context, etc is when it comes to politics. Some things considered mostly a consensus issue in one country are divisive in the other ( or even within different parts of the country as it is in Canada)

I got what you're mean and I was indeed speaking about France as I don't know much about specifics in other European countries. From what I read on here and what I know, we are kinda alike imo on that one even if compared to France, the US leans more to the right obviously. It does seem though that Marine Le Pen is way less hard on socio-economics (she needs the blue collar vote and its been her basis for wins thus far) but her party is definitely not and they are more or less the same as the Manif pour tous (which Le Pen hates).

 

[CHL]

The Last-Ditch Candidate | Jacobin

 

[CHL]

@Liu Kang @mbewane is this true?

Current polls show the charismatic and idiosyncratic Jean-Luc Mélenchon, co-founder of the Left Party, winning between 10 to 15 percent of the vote. In the last presidential election, the left-wing populist won 11 percent as the candidate of the broad Left Front coalition, grabbing attention for his relentless attacks on Marine Le Pen and aggressive proposals like a 100 percent income tax on annual earnings above 360,000 euros. This time around, he heads the self-created La France Insoumise, or “Rebellious France,” ticket and continues to target the working-class voters increasingly flocking to the National Front.

 

[mbewane]

@Liu Kang @mbewane is this true?

It is

Went to check out his website...interestingly it seems Roosevelt instatured taxation fr higher revenues at...91 %, and it was at 70 % until 1970s.

 

[Liu Kang]

@Liu Kang @mbewane is this true?

It's true but I thought it was something he came up in 2012.

Anyway, I don't fukk with this kind of super aggressive leftist stuff.

 

[Scoop]

Round 1 poll:

LePen - 24.5%
Fillon - 20%
Macron - 20%
Hamon - 17%
Melenchon - 9.5%

Round 2 head to heads:

Fillon - 59
Le Pen - 41

Macron - 63
Le Pen - 37

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Scoop]

Latest poll, round 1:

Le Pen - 26.5
Fillon - 19
Macron - 19
Hamon - 14
Melenchon - 11

Round 2:

Macron - 60
Le Pen - 40

Fillon - 57
Le Pen - 43

 

[FAH1223]

Latest poll, round 1:

Le Pen - 26.5
Fillon - 19
Macron - 19
Hamon - 14
Melenchon - 11

Round 2:

Macron - 60
Le Pen - 40

Fillon - 57
Le Pen - 43

The full ideological spectrum

 

[88m3]

Seems like a pretty crazy election for France

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

I'm rooting for Hamon

 

[Liu Kang]

Fillon will hopefully soon get that work

 

[FAH1223]

Fillon will hopefully soon get that work

His campaign manager quit, right?

And Le Pen is like she aint going to court

 

[Liu Kang]

His campaign manager quit, right?

And Le Pen is like she aint going to court

Many of his supports are quitting too and even Sarkozy told him publicly to quit. Dude's wave is over.

And Le Pen gonna Le Pen. She's resorting to proper far right tactics lately with conspiracy claims, defiance of justice and the media and so on (Fillon's on it too). I was scared for a minute that she was not far right anymore . Only thing is her supporters like her brand which is legit now and don't care much about it unlike Fillon who's brand new (as a potential president I mean). So those cases are hitting him hard while Le Pen just brush it off.