French 2017 Presidential Election - (MACRON WINS)

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Is the left finished in France?

It's just a bad cycle for them. They'll be back.

The current President is unpopular, populism is sweeping the Western world, and France has had slow growth for a minute that people have mainly attributed to the size of govt., the short work week, low retirement age, the large welfare state there etc.
 

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It is going to be Le Pen and Italy is next to Itexit or whatever the fukk you want to call it. This global populism wave BS isnt over
 

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Is the left finished in France?

The political Left (Parti Socialiste) might as well be. We've seen this in Belgium, where the CD&V (Flemish Christian Democrates) were number one or two party in Flanders (and thus in Belgium) for decades and all almost non-factors now, also because they went looking for more right-wing votes, opening up the spectrum to more and more right-wing ideas...so people go with the original. I wouldn't be surprised if the PS went for 10-20 years under 15 % if something doesn't happen this election. The division on the left has been huge for a long time now, and it's boiling up now.

The problem is PS has moved to the center-right, and once you go looking for votes on the right-wing of the spectrum you play yourself, because the right and extreme-right will always "out-right" you. And the drama of the Left is that humans take for granted what it has brought (free education, free healthcare, paid holidays, maternity leave, subsidies to culture, good infrastructure, basic rights, abortion rights, getting religious zealots out of politics, etc etc etc), so they feel they don't need to vote for the Left anymore. You only know what you got when it's gone.

To be honest though, with the current climate and impossibility for ANY politician to suggest working on the long term, the media that focuses on headlines, tweets and punchlines and the obsession with numbers, it's damn near impossible for someone from the Left to gain a lot of votes. Facts don't matter, programs neither, so people go with whoever "defends" their "values" against "invaders" or whatever :yeshrug:
 

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How often has an incumbent of a major Western Democracy just declined to run again due to low approvals :wow:

François Hollande will not run for French presidency
President tells nation he won’t be a candidate next year.

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By NICHOLAS VINOCUR

12/1/16, 8:11 PM CET
Updated 12/1/16, 10:04 PM CET


PARIS — François Hollande will not compete in next year’s French presidential election, he said Thursday evening in a move that raises the prospect of his prime minister, Manuel Valls, running in his place.

Hollande’s announcement, the first time in postwar French history a president has not run for a second term, ended months of speculation around the plans of a deeply unpopular leader whose economic policies alienated much of his left-wing base.

It kicks off a contest between several left-wing candidates, including former economy and industry minister Arnaud Montebourg, who will vie for a presidential nomination during a primary election in January. Prime Minister Valls, who said last week he was “ready” to run in the primary, would find in him a tough adversary in the primary.

“I have decided not to be a candidate for president,” Hollande said in a televised address from the Elysée presidential palace. “In the coming months, my only duty will be to lead the country.”

In a 13-minute speech that started with a defiant defense of his presidential legacy, Hollande explained his decision by saying he could not risk the Left “breaking apart” and losing the presidential election to “conservatism or, worse still, extremism.”

Polls show former prime minister François Fillon, who won a conservative primary on November 27, competing against National Front president Marine Le Pen in the final round of a presidential election in May 2017.

Hollande acknowledged “errors” during his term, but said he had only one regret: having proposed a constitutional change, later abandoned, that would have allowed the state to strip convicted terrorists of their French nationality.

Valls the favorite
By dropping out of the race under pressure from Socialist heavyweights including his own prime minister, Hollande avoided a potentially humiliating defeat in the primary.

The president’s approval rating fell steadily after his election in 2012, then plummeted in 2014 following his shift to supply-side economic policies — a change that many left-wing voters felt was a betrayal of his campaign promises.

Despite a recent increase in job creation — Hollande had vowed he would not run unless unemployment fell this year — Hollande’s approval scores remained dismal.

Now attention will turn to the left-wing primary, which is to be held in two rounds on January 22 and 29.

Candidates must declare their intention to run before December 15. Among the contestants will be Montebourg, a fiery critic of globalization who resigned from government in 2014; Benoît Hamon, a leftist former education minister; and senator Marie-Noëlle Lienemann, a former MEP. They have all said they have enough support to be candidates.

But polls suggest that Valls, who put pressure on Hollande to drop out over the past month, will win. A poll of left-wing sympathizers conducted in November by BVA showed that Valls would beat Montebourg in the primary’s runoff round, by 53 to 47 percent.

In an interview last week with the weekly JDD newspaper, Valls said: “[The primary] must create momentum and hope … I am ready for it, I am preparing for it.”

Split left-wing vote
However, Valls bears the scars of his time in power alongside Hollande, and his poor popularity ratings. A poll by Harris Interactive conducted on November 28 and 29 showed that Valls would not make it into the presidential election’s second round, winning just 9 percent of votes in the first round — far behind Fillon and Le Pen and six percentage points behind Jean-Luc Mélenchon, a hard-left candidate.

If Valls runs, he will have to rally support from left-wing socialists who opposed his reform of labor rules.

Mélenchon will not participate in the left-wing primary. Neither will former economy minister Emmanuel Macron, a 38-year-old former banker who left the government earlier this year to mount a bid for the presidency.

Macron and Mélenchon are both polling higher than Valls ahead of the May election. Their parallel bids raise the prospect of a split left-wing vote in the election’s first round, which would increase the chances of no left-wing candidate making it to the runoff.

If Valls won the primary, he would make a strong adversary to Fillon, currently the presidential frontrunner.

In Hollande’s speech, the president said that he “respected” Fillon. But he criticized his plans to lay off 500,000 public sector workers as calling into question France’s welfare state — a hint of how the Left will go after the conservative pick.

Hollande also used his speech to criticize the far-right, arguing that protectionism was the “greatest danger” and that shutting France off from the world would be a “disaster for the Republic.”

François Hollande will not run for French presidency
 

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How often has an incumbent just declined to run again of a major Western Democracy due to low approvals :wow:

François Hollande will not run for French presidency
President tells nation he won’t be a candidate next year.

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By NICHOLAS VINOCUR

12/1/16, 8:11 PM CET
Updated 12/1/16, 10:04 PM CET


PARIS — François Hollande will not compete in next year’s French presidential election, he said Thursday evening in a move that raises the prospect of his prime minister, Manuel Valls, running in his place.

Hollande’s announcement, the first time in postwar French history a president has not run for a second term, ended months of speculation around the plans of a deeply unpopular leader whose economic policies alienated much of his left-wing base.

It kicks off a contest between several left-wing candidates, including former economy and industry minister Arnaud Montebourg, who will vie for a presidential nomination during a primary election in January. Prime Minister Valls, who said last week he was “ready” to run in the primary, would find in him a tough adversary in the primary.

“I have decided not to be a candidate for president,” Hollande said in a televised address from the Elysée presidential palace. “In the coming months, my only duty will be to lead the country.”

In a 13-minute speech that started with a defiant defense of his presidential legacy, Hollande explained his decision by saying he could not risk the Left “breaking apart” and losing the presidential election to “conservatism or, worse still, extremism.”

Polls show former prime minister François Fillon, who won a conservative primary on November 27, competing against National Front president Marine Le Pen in the final round of a presidential election in May 2017.

Hollande acknowledged “errors” during his term, but said he had only one regret: having proposed a constitutional change, later abandoned, that would have allowed the state to strip convicted terrorists of their French nationality.

Valls the favorite
By dropping out of the race under pressure from Socialist heavyweights including his own prime minister, Hollande avoided a potentially humiliating defeat in the primary.

The president’s approval rating fell steadily after his election in 2012, then plummeted in 2014 following his shift to supply-side economic policies — a change that many left-wing voters felt was a betrayal of his campaign promises.

Despite a recent increase in job creation — Hollande had vowed he would not run unless unemployment fell this year — Hollande’s approval scores remained dismal.

Now attention will turn to the left-wing primary, which is to be held in two rounds on January 22 and 29.

Candidates must declare their intention to run before December 15. Among the contestants will be Montebourg, a fiery critic of globalization who resigned from government in 2014; Benoît Hamon, a leftist former education minister; and senator Marie-Noëlle Lienemann, a former MEP. They have all said they have enough support to be candidates.

But polls suggest that Valls, who put pressure on Hollande to drop out over the past month, will win. A poll of left-wing sympathizers conducted in November by BVA showed that Valls would beat Montebourg in the primary’s runoff round, by 53 to 47 percent.

In an interview last week with the weekly JDD newspaper, Valls said: “[The primary] must create momentum and hope … I am ready for it, I am preparing for it.”

Split left-wing vote
However, Valls bears the scars of his time in power alongside Hollande, and his poor popularity ratings. A poll by Harris Interactive conducted on November 28 and 29 showed that Valls would not make it into the presidential election’s second round, winning just 9 percent of votes in the first round — far behind Fillon and Le Pen and six percentage points behind Jean-Luc Mélenchon, a hard-left candidate.

If Valls runs, he will have to rally support from left-wing socialists who opposed his reform of labor rules.

Mélenchon will not participate in the left-wing primary. Neither will former economy minister Emmanuel Macron, a 38-year-old former banker who left the government earlier this year to mount a bid for the presidency.

Macron and Mélenchon are both polling higher than Valls ahead of the May election. Their parallel bids raise the prospect of a split left-wing vote in the election’s first round, which would increase the chances of no left-wing candidate making it to the runoff.

If Valls won the primary, he would make a strong adversary to Fillon, currently the presidential frontrunner.

In Hollande’s speech, the president said that he “respected” Fillon. But he criticized his plans to lay off 500,000 public sector workers as calling into question France’s welfare state — a hint of how the Left will go after the conservative pick.

Hollande also used his speech to criticize the far-right, arguing that protectionism was the “greatest danger” and that shutting France off from the world would be a “disaster for the Republic.”

François Hollande will not run for French presidency

Wise choice, like the article says he avoids a defeat (even possibly in the primary) and can at least bow out gracefully, while allowing the Left to try to organize itself...and by removing himself he doesn't allow anyone to run on the "No more Hollande" program...for all the bad stuff he did at least he didn't mindlessly cling to power
 

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Seven candidates in running for French left-wing primaries
François Hollande’s former Prime Minister Manuel Valls is seen as the leading contender to win his party’s nomination.

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By HELEN COLLIS

12/17/16, 3:17 PM CET
Updated 12/17/16, 3:29 PM CET

France will see seven candidates go head to head in the left-wing primaries next month to be nominated for the presidential election next year, according to Reuters.

The Socialist party, which is organizing the primaries, said Saturday they will be held January 22 and 29, before the presidential elections in April-May.

President François Hollande said earlier this month he would not seek re-election.

Hollande’s former Prime Minister Manuel Valls is seen as the leading contender to win his party’s nomination. He will face competition from former economy minister Arnaud Montebourg and former education minister Benoît Hamon, Reuters reported.

They both resigned from Hollande’s government in protest over his economic policy, which they claimed was too liberal.

Another former education minister, Vincent Peillon, and former housing minister Sylvia Pinel, the only female candidate, will also run.

Far-left politician Jean-Luc Mélenchon and Green party leader Yannick Jadot are also running, according to Reuters.

Seven candidates in running for French left-wing primaries
 

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Hamon and Valls prevail in French left-wing primary
Hamon and Valls will face off in a final vote on Sunday.

By NICHOLAS VINOCUR
1/22/17, 9:12 PM CET

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Updated 1/23/17, 12:20 AM CET

PARIS – Former Education Minister Benoît Hamon pulled ahead in the left-wing primary for this year’s French presidential elections Sunday, followed by former Prime Minister Manuel Valls.

Hamon’s unexpected performance, after several polls had showed Valls narrowly winning the first round, underscored the depth of disappointment with President François Hollande’s middle-ground leadership among many left-wing voters. By choosing Hamon, who joined the ranks of rebel Socialist MPs after leaving the government in 2014, supporters signaled a strong desire for change leaning toward a more Jeremy Corbyn-style leftism.

While Valls vowed to carry a “realistic” left-wing platform, Hamon campaigned on a far more idealistic set of proposals, including a universal revenue (progressively introducing a €750 monthly payment “for all”) and legalizing cannabis — both of which were criticized by nearly all of his rivals.

The candidates will meet in a runoff vote January 29.

At his campaign headquarters, Hamon delivered a sober statement pledging renewal of the left in France but staying clear of a promise of victory in the primary — or indeed the upcoming presidential election.

An Ipsos poll published Sunday showed all Socialist candidates far behind right-wing rivals, with Valls at 9 percent in the first round of the presidential election in April; the far-right National Front’s Marine Le Pen at 27 percent; and conservative former Prime Minister François Fillon at 25 percent. The Ipsos poll gave Hamon 8 percent.

“I see the first bricks being laid for the reconstruction of much more than the left,” the 49-year-old said Sunday. “Tonight is, therefore, a first step. I receive your confidence with a sense of responsibility, of seriousness, but also a lot of enthusiasm.”

Valls, who was thrown into the position of the challenger, declared himself “very happy to face Benoît Hamon” in the primary runoff, adding left-wing supporters now faced a clear choice. “The choice between certain defeat and a possible victory; the choice between inapplicable ideas and a responsible left.”

Shortly after 10 p.m. in Paris, the primary’s organizers said Hamon was ahead with 36.1 percent and Valls was second with 31.24 percent. Former Industry Minister Arnaud Montebourg, who got 17.69 percent according to partial results, declared defeat and called on his backers to support Hamon.
Over the next week, Valls will work to break Hamon’s momentum by casting him as a candidate for dreamers. A larger turnout that would bring in more center-left voters could still deliver victory to the former prime minister, whose campaign struggled to take off at first.

But Hamon will be difficult to beat — especially if a majority follow Montebourg’s instructions.

Lower interest
Turnout for the primary, which featured seven mainly Socialist candidates, several of whom belonged at one point to Valls’ cabinet, was low compared to a previous left-wing primary in 2011.

Organizer Christophe Borgel said a final tally was likely to show between 1.5 and 2 million voters. In 2011, the first round of the left-wing primary drew more than 2.5 million voters. By contrast, more than 4 million voted in the first round of the conservative primary in November, which Fillon went on to win.

Interest for the right-wing primary was particularly intense due to the understanding that its winner would become a favorite to win the presidency, according to current polling. The left’s contest, by contrast, suffers from the opposite belief, with many left-wing voters disappointed with Socialist party rule after five years of a deeply unpopular presidency under Hollande who decided not to run for a second term.

The final run-off of the French presidential elections is scheduled for May 7.

This article has been updated.

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The field is nearly filled out. Here's who we have:

Marine Le Pen - far right
Francois Fillon - center right
Emmanuel Macron - center
Jean-Luc Melenchon - far left
Benoit Hamon or Manuel Valls (run off is this weekend) - center left

Polls have Le Pen and Fillon neck and neck for 1st place in round 1, and then Fillon up about 25-30 points in the run off.
 

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US coverage of Le Pen’s polls rarely point out she tanks in runoff matchups.



Macron might have a shot if Fillon's baggage hurts him
 

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US coverage of Le Pen’s polls rarely point out she tanks in runoff matchups.



Macron might have a shot if Fillon's baggage hurts him


I still fail to see what people like about Macron. My guess is that it's a lot of French people from the left and center who want a new wave, and that are seduced by Macron showing a lo of "non-french" things : if I remember correctly his first big political moment was in London, and choosing to speak in English in a meeting in Berlin (when translation was offered to him). It's quite significant because, and this is something many non-French people may not know, just as much as there is some form of (sometimes misplaced) "French pride", just as much is there a french intellectual form of snobism to appear "better than French". Not to be mistaken with a true form of diversity/universalism/whatever, it's a form of "openess" to a certain outside world that really is a statement to other french people : I'm above you. It's very peculiar and I realize hard to explain, and it appeals to that category of french people who see themselves that way. Renzi also somewhat had it Italy. His stance of being "anti-system" also pleases (even though he worked at Goldmann Sachs), but he looks like the first of the class so that appeals to the "bobo" (more-less hipsters) who say they want change but not too much change. Basically, he's revolution-lite, young and "anti-system" enough to appeal to some people on the Left, economically liberal and banking-world enough to appeal some on the RIght.

Really not sure he can make big waves outside of the big cities and outside a very specific category of person. I could be very wrong though.

Fillon took a serious hit. There was yet another affair that came out today, and even though he will not be under investigation it damages his position, since like all the other "holier-than-thou" people from the right he was all about "exemplarity", "cuuting costs" and "getting rid of leechers" lol. People from the traditionnal right will obviously still vote for him because they don't care as long as they can vote against the PS, but he might lose the undecided.

Really glad Hamon pulled it off today. He actually has a program with some ideas, as opposed to "programs" that were basically about managing and against or in reaction to something (as opposed to being for something). It means, I think, that's there's a real chance that a lot of people fed up with the PS could vote for Hamon, because he distanced him quite early from Hollande and Vallst. Ironically he's the most "anti-system" out of the BIg 3 (Le Pen, Fillon, Hamon,) candidates, which might win some votes from the undecided vote. There's a reason the FN was hoping for Valls to win the primary, they knew (and were right) he stood no chance against either Fillon or Le Pen, since he's a "socialist" copy of both.

Things finally got interesting with Hamon winning the primary imo.
 

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I still fail to see what people like about Macron. My guess is that it's a lot of French people from the left and center who want a new wave, and that are seduced by Macron showing a lo of "non-french" things : if I remember correctly his first big political moment was in London, and choosing to speak in English in a meeting in Berlin (when translation was offered to him). It's quite significant because, and this is something many non-French people may not know, just as much as there is some form of (sometimes misplaced) "French pride", just as much is there a french intellectual form of snobism to appear "better than French". Not to be mistaken with a true form of diversity/universalism/whatever, it's a form of "openess" to a certain outside world that really is a statement to other french people : I'm above you. It's very peculiar and I realize hard to explain, and it appeals to that category of french people who see themselves that way. Renzi also somewhat had it Italy. His stance of being "anti-system" also pleases (even though he worked at Goldmann Sachs), but he looks like the first of the class so that appeals to the "bobo" (more-less hipsters) who say they want change but not too much change. Basically, he's revolution-lite, young and "anti-system" enough to appeal to some people on the Left, economically liberal and banking-world enough to appeal some on the RIght.

Really not sure he can make big waves outside of the big cities and outside a very specific category of person. I could be very wrong though.

Fillon took a serious hit. There was yet another affair that came out today, and even though he will not be under investigation it damages his position, since like all the other "holier-than-thou" people from the right he was all about "exemplarity", "cuuting costs" and "getting rid of leechers" lol. People from the traditionnal right will obviously still vote for him because they don't care as long as they can vote against the PS, but he might lose the undecided.

Really glad Hamon pulled it off today. He actually has a program with some ideas, as opposed to "programs" that were basically about managing and against or in reaction to something (as opposed to being for something). It means, I think, that's there's a real chance that a lot of people fed up with the PS could vote for Hamon, because he distanced him quite early from Hollande and Vallst. Ironically he's the most "anti-system" out of the BIg 3 (Le Pen, Fillon, Hamon,) candidates, which might win some votes from the undecided vote. There's a reason the FN was hoping for Valls to win the primary, they knew (and were right) he stood no chance against either Fillon or Le Pen, since he's a "socialist" copy of both.

Things finally got interesting with Hamon winning the primary imo.


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