Nah we're good BI kinda wanna see things go full right for just the fukkery.
French 2017 Presidential Election - (MACRON WINS)
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ezrathegreat
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I kinda wanna see things go full right for just the fukkery.
Have you lost your damn mind? https://www.google.com/amp/www.tele...pable-missiles-closer-europe-claims-nato/amp/
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
It's crazy that he's (and the PS) are still talking about his possible candidacy. shyt they're even using the fact Fillon won despite bad polls as "proof" Hollande could win
So what happens next Juppe and Fillon have a runoff for the ticket, then the same deal for the left? Does Marine not have a primary?
I'm kind of surprised Hollande is actually going to run.
levitate
I love you, you know.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.tele...pable-missiles-closer-europe-claims-nato/amp/
Nothing but penis-measuring and posturing.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
So what happens next Juppe and Fillon have a runoff for the ticket, then the same deal for the left? Does Marine not have a primary?
I'm kind of surprised Hollande is actually going to run.
Exactly, Juppé and Fillon have the run-off this sunday, then left primaries but I don't remember when it is (I'm guessing in january)...
Marine doesn't have a primary since she already represents the FN and there is no other Extreme-Right party to choose a candidate from. Primaries on the left and right are the main parties -Les Républicains on the right, PS on the left- plus close smaller parties, that's why it's the primary "of the Right and Center" and "of the Left" as opposed to the primary of "Les Républicains" and "of the Parti Socialiste". There are still discussion on which parties from the left will take part in those primaries. Macron for example said he wouldn't participate in any primary, I think Mélenchon said the same but not sure.
Trajan
Veteran
Do the French really want those problems
EU was created to basically stop ze German rolling in their backyard everytime they want like Bruhman. They haven't had to watch that flank for decades. If the EU project fails and Europeans revert back to nationalism then Germans will dominate even more and the frogs will
. At least now Germans are busy with a benevolent project bigger than pure national interest.
Red Shield
Global Domination
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Do the French really want those problems
EU was created to basically stop ze German rolling in their backyard everytime they want like Bruhman. They haven't had to watch that flank for decades. If the EU project fails and Europeans revert back to nationalism then Germans will dominate even more and the frogs will
Even in the unlikely event France did leave the EU you don't erase 60 years of cooperation. There are tons of bilateral deals and agreements between France and Germany that exist regardless of the EU, and both are part of NATO too, as well of the Council of Europe (and OECD, etc). All things that did not exist back in the day, it's not just the EU that tie both countries together. And there is nothing in recent German history that indicates any inclination to physical expansion, they know that economic warfare is less costly and reaps better results.
Also, if France leaves the EU, well it doesn't mean that Germany leaves the EU, so it would still be bound to the remaining EU countries and a whole series of engagements. Those remaining countries would probably do all they can to prevent Germany from doing anything crazy on European soil, as no one would benefit from another European war.
Also take into consideration that France has the nuclear weapon, Germany doesn't.
Red Shield
Global Domination
Germany would still take down France :crazy:
Fillon finished the upset over the weekend.
From what I've read he's pro-EU but his domestic policy is very conservative both socially and fiscally.
Le Pen v. Fillon will come down to how bad the country wants an EU referendum...
From what I've read he's pro-EU but his domestic policy is very conservative both socially and fiscally.
Le Pen v. Fillon will come down to how bad the country wants an EU referendum...
lol at you bumping this
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ezrathegreat
Veteran
After spending a week in France, the only thing I can tell you is that in my life I have never seen a political party more hated then PS
, you would think they were the Nazis the way people talked about them.
, you would think they were the Nazis the way people talked about them.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Nah, they hardly talked about Europe during the primary campaign. It's a non-issue now in France, we know what are the positions and Fillon, if he has a pro-EU stance (I didn't notice) will adapt it in line with more nationalistic views.
But no one is talking about Europe these days, it's all about "values", "civilization", "traditions", all that right-wing bs.
After spending a week in France, the only thing I can tell you is that in my life I have never seen a political party more hated then PS
The thing is that well everyone knows people from the right hate because what else are they gonna do, but PS managed to get hated by people on the left too. PS is basically center-right now, and has probably been the biggest disappointment in modern France for the left. The biggest "accomplishment" under Hollande is probably the gay marriage thing, which most people on the Left will say "Yeah, that's good" but they don't really care about it like that either. ALL the rest (economy, education, security, anti-racism, rules of democracy, etc etc) either they didn't do what they said they would, or they basically did some soft-right policies.
So there's no reason for anyone on the Left to appreciate them either.
Is the left finished in France?