From The New Yorker: "My Great-Grandfather, the Nigerian Slave-Trader"

[xoxodede]

its not slavery legally but its slavery in effect

You don't know about slavery then - if you think that.

 

[theworldismine13]

The context of racist post-Reconstruction South is vastly different from people within a culture voluntarily serving another family.

its different in degree, its a less egregious violation of individual freedom but its still a violation of individual freedom and its morally economically detrimental to black progress

 

[theworldismine13]

You don't know about slavery then - if you think that.

aside from the hatians and a few scattered groups black people have never escaped from slavery

 

[#1 pick]

yeah it is from my eyes, and its a legit POV.

I think what people want to know is how exactly did slavery come about and why did it go on for so long aside from the white supremacy part of it, you have given the answer, its that african themselves had systems which violated the individual freedom of africans

whats nutty is that you refuse to see it as such

Chattel slavery went on for so long because Africa was destroyed.
It's that simple.

West Africans were world travelers. But when Europe destroyed Africa, where were you going to go. They killed all of the Blacks in Europe. While Morocco still had power and were Black, they just didnt have the same power they once had. The world got flipped upside down. Because of that, who from Africa was going to travel to the Americas to discover what happened.

You had wars and constant wars even between Blacks, Black Seminoles with the cacs but the cacs had a gameplan to maintain their power for 500 years.

2017 was year 500. This is the first year of the Blacks gets the awakening and cacs being killed in or dying in masse. What have the cacs done? Militarize, deputize, change the music frequency, just the environment and the sky so God cant communicate clearly. fukk up the water. You dont realize, they can't stop the time. Anyway, I am going off into a tangent. The bottom line was, they got control of the Americas, became a power by any means necessary. They stole everything and they are only giving some of it back as they know what's coming. They aren't dumb, they are extremely intelligent. Ya'll underestimate cacs but fear them, I dont and I dont.

 

[get these nets]

Nah. This sudden influx of anti-worldwide blk sentiments isn't coincidence. I wouldn't be surprised if all these types weren't on the alt-right payroll. Timing for these thinkpieces is far too suspect and shyt whites have been saying for years in fringe revisionist forums. Now they feel emboldened and need these types of stories to validate their claims.

"See it wasn't the whites, this is just more blk on blk crime!"
"When are blks gonna stop blaming whitey for everything!"
"You sold urselves into slavery!" "Savages!" "Can't govern themselves!"
I'm sure Africans weren't blameless in their role in the slave trade. This is less about caping for Africans and more about being unwilling to pretend like this isn't agenda. This isn't a nuanced discussion of cultural differences between two groups of black people. This is some 19th century racist anthropologist white fanfiction probably sanctioned by alt-right dollars.

Exorcise whatever demons are left over from the slave trade but shyt like this makes some blks hate themselves more than whites who have done all of us a MILLION times worse. The dire poverty, disease, and exploitation that swept over the African continent after the slave trade has resulted in more than enough karma to repay the dead chiefs who sold us. Not to mention the neo-colonial actions of early African-American repatriates. Well, we will leave Liberia alone for now. Hell we are the ancestors of slaves and we benefit through geopolitics off the continued exploitation of Africans every time we upgrade our damn cell phones. The African karmic cypher is complete.

Talk and discuss, but please don't waste your time trying to convince me of the likelihood of recent influx of blk anti-blk sentiments is not tied to the current political climate. We can't afford to be this short sighted and divided while whites are prepping to stand in violent support of white Afrikkaners as soon as Africans move to take back land that belongs to them. Meanwhile, we will still be grumbling about holding nuts b/c some internet psuedo-intellectuals told us to hold grudges against other blk people for shyt that happened centuries ago.

- The Washington Post

Frankly, I'm tired of making these connections for people. How can something be so obvious to me, yet fly over the heads of others? I can literally see this shyt unfolding. There has even been an influx of alt-right sympathizers on this site in the last year. Bet my student loan debt that these Yvettes, Tariqs, and Tommy Sotomayors are all funded by racist dollars to sow division. All this shyt is connected.

If you're saying that the Blacks given these large platforms have powerful forces with agendas behind them, that's true and few would dispute that. The woman who has this article featured clearly had to have been approved by media decision makers. We all witnessed Cyber Black press SILENCED recently from covering ANY part of the CTG story resurfacing. Stories and videos about the story were ERASED...right before our eyes. Clearly powerful interests have selected/approved him for the platforms he has.

Agendas are filtered and promoted to people all the time through popular media. Most people acknowledge this. Don't pat yourself on the head for pointing out obvious things.

HOWEVER, like I said in earlier post..not a single recent discussion about African people is a new topic. Questions, prejudices, fears among and between Blacks from different places has been in existence for at least a century.Documented in print and video.
In cyber space , these discussions are taking place going on 20 years now.

The three internet celebs you mentioned each know who their core audience is, and are going to cater their show topics to those that speak to those audiences. That's media 101. TN, and TS are charlatans exploiting young dudes' natural thirst for knowledge & guidance for financial gain. I think that rather than elevate the intellects of these young dudes , their shows help dumb them down.

I always felt though that YC is coming from a genuine place(though I disagree with her a lot) .

The immigration issue is helping to drive some of the resurgence of these old topics because, Black people in this country are becoming more and more aware of how the population of America is changing ...Latinos surpassed Black Americans in population years ago. Genetic and economic survival instincts kick in when groups will have to fight for resources. Every group closes rank when it's go time. This clear delineation of AAs as a distinct group is natural in this climate. Not because of alt-right tricks, but natural self preservation instincts. So, as that forms...of course the old questions about the slave trade are going to come back into the discussion.
Based on a person's age and life experiences, they will express it differently.
TN knows his audience isn't going to pick up a book, read history and make informed comments....so he gives them tagline and slogans ..reducing a complex issue to a simple catch phrase..Like I said media 101...know your audience, speak their language.

 

[get these nets]

What's Mos Def got to do with this ?

they could be brothers

 

[theworldismine13]

Chattel slavery went on for so long because Africa was destroyed.
It's that simple.

West Africans were world travelers. But when Europe destroyed Africa, where were you going to go. They killed all of the Blacks in Europe. While Morocco still had power and were Black, they just didnt have the same power they once had. The world got flipped upside down. Because of that, who from Africa was going to travel to the Americas to discover what happened.

You had wars and constant wars even between Blacks, Black Seminoles with the cacs but the cacs had a gameplan to maintain their power for 500 years.

2017 was year 500. This is the first year of the Blacks gets the awakening and cacs being killed in or dying in masse. What have the cacs done? Militarize, deputize, change the music frequency, just the environment and the sky so God cant communicate clearly. fukk up the water. You dont realize, they can't stop the time. Anyway, I am going off into a tangent. The bottom line was, they got control of the Americas, became a power by any means necessary. They stole everything and they are only giving some of it back as they know what's coming. They aren't dumb, they are extremely intelligent. Ya'll underestimate cacs but fear them, I dont and I dont.

hmm ok, but how did the europeans come to dominate in the first place?

slavery happened because 1) africans were dominated and overwhelmed technologically by arabs and europeans 2) africans never presented a united front against invaders 3) (and as it relates to this thread) africans engaged in practices and customs that were not conducive to development and individual freedom and they were amenable to slavery

 

[theworldismine13]

By people who don't understand these concepts, it seems.

Osu: Descendents of people who became slaves to the gods as a result of seeking refuge at the Oracle to escape lawful punishment.

Oru/Ohu: People who were the slaves of men. They would work for a family for 7 years and then leave or choose to work another 7 years. It was more like indentured servitude than slavery. This practice has been abolished, we don't have these anymore but in some rare cases, you may find some discrimination against their descendants, though I've never seen this personally.

Houseboy/Housegirl: A servant who either willingly chose to work for a family or was placed there by an older relative. The latter usually come from poor families that can't afford to take care of them.

all three of those things are practices that need to end because they violate individual freedom and are morally and economically detrimental to black people

these are the type of customs that made africa amenable to slavery

 

[#1 pick]

hmm ok, but how did the europeans come to dominate in the first place?

slavery happened because 1) africans were dominated and overwhelmed technologically by arabs and europeans 2) africans never presented a united front against invaders 3) (and as it relates to this thread) africans engaged in practices and customs that were not conducive to development and individual freedom and they were amenable to slavery

Did you ever read about how Europe came into the Americas with a plan to rule the world?

1. No, Blacks had the technological and war advantage. They knew cacs were barbarians. Cacs had a gameplan and a code and stuck with it and carried it out not just by pillaging the Americas but they helped the divide in Africa by playing both sides.

2. Wrong. They did. Cacs picked their targets wisely. It wasnt just them coming into Africa like that. That's an easy way to get killed at that time.

3. Their practices were the practices that were practice all over the world and even still till this day by China, Japan, Korea, European nations, etc. What are you talking about?

Just be honest, you don't want to be in this position anymore and you want to fix it but don't know how so you are just blindly suggesting stupid things as a means

 

[theworldismine13]

1. No, Blacks had the technological and war advantage. They knew cacs were barbarians. Cacs had a gameplan and a code and stuck with it and carried it out not just by pillaging the Americas but they helped the divide in Africa by playing both sides.

what technological advantage did the africans have?

2. Wrong. They did. Cacs picked their targets wisely. It wasnt just them coming into Africa like that. That's an easy way to get killed at that time.

when did africans unite against european or arab invaders?

3. Their practices were the practices that were practice all over the world and even still till this day by China, Japan, Korea, European nations, etc. What are you talking about?

China, japan, korea and europe had to change their whole cultures to be able to compete globally

Just be honest, you don't want to be in this position anymore and you want to fix it but don't know how so you are just blindly suggesting stupid things as a means

no ive studied extensively how black people ended up at the bottom globally and those are my conclusions, the 3 things i mentioned are things that black people have to correct if we want to move ahead

 

[Yehuda]

I'm surprised at how many people on this site had maids growing up.

 

[panopticon]

If you're saying that the Blacks given these large platforms have powerful forces with agendas behind them, that's true and few would dispute that. The woman who has this article featured clearly had to have been approved by media decision makers. We all witnessed Cyber Black press SILENCED recently from covering ANY part of the CTG story resurfacing. Stories and videos about the story were ERASED...right before our eyes. Clearly powerful interests have selected/approved him for the platforms he has.

Agendas are filtered and promoted to people all the time through popular media. Most people acknowledge this. Don't pat yourself on the head for pointing out obvious things.

HOWEVER, like I said in earlier post..not a single recent discussion about African people is a new topic. Questions, prejudices, fears among and between Blacks from different places has been in existence for at least a century.Documented in print and video.
In cyber space , these discussions are taking place going on 20 years now.

The three internet celebs you mentioned each know who their core audience is, and are going to cater their show topics to those that speak to those audiences. That's media 101. TN, and TS are charlatans exploiting young dudes' natural thirst for knowledge & guidance for financial gain. I think that rather than elevate the intellects of these young dudes , their shows help dumb them down.

I always felt though that YC is coming from a genuine place(though I disagree with her a lot) .

The immigration issue is helping to drive some of the resurgence of these old topics because, Black people in this country are becoming more and more aware of how the population of America is changing ...Latinos surpassed Black Americans in population years ago. Genetic and economic survival instincts kick in when groups will have to fight for resources. Every group closes rank when it's go time. This clear delineation of AAs as a distinct group is natural in this climate. Not because of alt-right tricks, but natural self preservation instincts. So, as that forms...of course the old questions about the slave trade are going to come back into the discussion.
Based on a person's age and life experiences, they will express it differently.
TN knows his audience isn't going to pick up a book, read history and make informed comments....so he gives them tagline and slogans ..reducing a complex issue to a simple catch phrase..Like I said media 101...know your audience, speak their language.

This.

 

[#1 pick]

what technological advantage did the africans have?



when did africans unite against european or arab invaders?



China, japan, korea and europe had to change their whole cultures to be able to compete globally



no ive studied extensively how black people ended up at the bottom globally and those are my conclusions, the 3 things i mentioned are things that black people have to correct if we want to move ahead

Medical, war tactics at the time, they had better weapons, they were skilled but this wasn't racial, at least initially. It was Catholic v. Muslims, then it became white v. Black.

It was too late when they tried. Far too late. No one ever did anything by skin color before.

China, Japan still does a lot of their customs. Business wise, it's extremely westernized. Moreso than China. African nations have responded like all of the other countries has done. They lack resources. All of their natural resources are controlled by European capitalist nations. What more do you want from African nations?

You have no clue. You can study all day but what have you done in America to make better for Blacks here?

I'm surprised at how many people on this site had maids growing up.

I know we couldn't and never thought of it.

 

[LurkMoar]

if this the shyt igbos are doing i cant imagine yoruba history




its a wrap

 

[get these nets]

This.

I fall outside of what YC calls AADOS, but I understand some of what she is talking about...and the growing discussions about that identity.

What's even more interesting is that some people who feel that way will not understand that similar modes of thought emerged across the world under European colonization.....when.....once again.....groups had to to close ranks for genetic and economic survival.
It's nature.