You know Africans as you, your family, my family all Black folks are Africans. What, you think Irish nikka
? XoxoO'Shanahan
From The New Yorker: "My Great-Grandfather, the Nigerian Slave-Trader"
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xoxodede
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You know Africans as you, your family, my family all Black folks are Africans. What, you think Irish nikka
XoxoO'Shanahan
You know I"m not African. I am Black American -- and you know damn well I don't claim or boast having non-African blood/DNA -- as I know how and why I have it.
My family is not African. They are Black American and proud to be.
If you are interested in my DNA -- I talk about it here:
Ancestry DNA Matches from Africa - Are These Questions Ok to Ask Them or Nah?
The first has all but been abolished and is only an issue when it comes to marriage but even that is changing. I wish that it would change even more rapidly but it'll likely be fully abolished in the coming generations. The second has been abolished. The third is still ongoing but it's actually been used as a system to help people. I will not deny that some people abuse this system but I personally know more people who've been helped by it than those who haven't.
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DrBanneker
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For those who have read a lot of African history, this is a known sad part of our history and it should be told. I think we should all know it, and not rationalize it away, because it is a dark and painful lesson about how short minded profit schemes and lack of unity ultimately did us all in. Whatever wealth the African slave traders gained is dwarfed by the billions the descendants of slave masters in the West have.
On the other hand, there are ways this should be understood.
1. I don't get the AA resentment in this forum against Africans. Whatever they did ended at the Middle Passage and 90% of the ill shyt in our history didn't come from Igbos, Dahomey, or anyone else. We talk about living with, loving, and forgiving the descendants of White slave owners, why hold a double standard on the Africans? Also, Ghana and some other countries apologized for the slave trade. Not likely to see that here. If there are African c00ns still celebrating slave traders as heroes, whatever. The real ones want to work with us to get shyt done.
2. Africans, like Whites, were not all one sided on the slavery issue and there was resistance from individuals all they way up to state action by bold leaders. You should read the book the Kingdom of Kongo which talks about Affonso I and his fight against slavery and the story of Queen Nzinga of Ndongo and Matamba as described by Chancellor Williams in the Destruction of Black Civilization.
Also, surprised no one mentioned this book:
Fighting the Slave Trade: West African Strategies
By Sylviane A. Diouf
3. As I said before, we should not shirk from teaching this stuff but the agendas of others want to make the slave trade a wholly African or Black thing. Dinesh D'Souza got his big fame in the mid 1990s writing The End of Racism where he describes the African slave trade and uses it in part of his argument that "slavery wasn't racist" because of African slave merchants and the relatively small amount of US Blacks that owned slaves. Then they try to talk about how much more "humane" White slave owners were, etc. They even claim the Congress of Berlin that divided up Africa for colonization was some noble meeting since the delegates of Europe decided to ban slavery once they took over Africa (now killing/genocide and robbing the natives blind was not a big deal and the Belgian Congo ended up with pseudo-slavery anyway).
Not saying we shouldn't discuss this history, but knowing how others contort it is useful too
4. My Igbo brothers and sisters need to stop defending Osu. It's like Indians defending caste. Yeah, Black people aren't inherently worse than anyone else but we don't have to defend bullshyt to prove that
On the other hand, there are ways this should be understood.
1. I don't get the AA resentment in this forum against Africans. Whatever they did ended at the Middle Passage and 90% of the ill shyt in our history didn't come from Igbos, Dahomey, or anyone else. We talk about living with, loving, and forgiving the descendants of White slave owners, why hold a double standard on the Africans? Also, Ghana and some other countries apologized for the slave trade. Not likely to see that here. If there are African c00ns still celebrating slave traders as heroes, whatever. The real ones want to work with us to get shyt done.
2. Africans, like Whites, were not all one sided on the slavery issue and there was resistance from individuals all they way up to state action by bold leaders. You should read the book the Kingdom of Kongo which talks about Affonso I and his fight against slavery and the story of Queen Nzinga of Ndongo and Matamba as described by Chancellor Williams in the Destruction of Black Civilization.
Also, surprised no one mentioned this book:
Fighting the Slave Trade: West African Strategies
By Sylviane A. Diouf
3. As I said before, we should not shirk from teaching this stuff but the agendas of others want to make the slave trade a wholly African or Black thing. Dinesh D'Souza got his big fame in the mid 1990s writing The End of Racism where he describes the African slave trade and uses it in part of his argument that "slavery wasn't racist" because of African slave merchants and the relatively small amount of US Blacks that owned slaves. Then they try to talk about how much more "humane" White slave owners were, etc. They even claim the Congress of Berlin that divided up Africa for colonization was some noble meeting since the delegates of Europe decided to ban slavery once they took over Africa (now killing/genocide and robbing the natives blind was not a big deal and the Belgian Congo ended up with pseudo-slavery anyway).
Not saying we shouldn't discuss this history, but knowing how others contort it is useful too
4. My Igbo brothers and sisters need to stop defending Osu. It's like Indians defending caste. Yeah, Black people aren't inherently worse than anyone else but we don't have to defend bullshyt to prove that
on dead fukkin dogs breh i hope you're not referring to me because I've checked you once and now on both accounts to compose yourself and @ directly who your speaking about.
You African sis. You might call yourself Black, AA, Negro, Colored, whatever, but you African. That's what you are. Unless Africa got a different name but for now, you African.
xoxodede
Superstar
Cool - thanks
But, Imma go ahead and claim Black American -- and be happy with that. Is that ok?
Or should claim African and be called a white person or be told my ass ain't African when I show up at y'all African Cookout?
Nobody is defending it, they're just explaining it.For those who have read a lot of African history, this is a known sad part of our history and it should be told. I think we should all know it, and not rationalize it away, because it is a dark and painful lesson about how short minded profit schemes and lack of unity ultimately did us all in. Whatever wealth the African slave traders gained is dwarfed by the billions the descendants of slave masters in the West have.
On the other hand, there are ways this should be understood.
1. I don't get the AA resentment in this forum against Africans. Whatever they did ended at the Middle Passage and 90% of the ill shyt in our history didn't come from Igbos, Dahomey, or anyone else. We talk about living with, loving, and forgiving the descendants of White slave owners, why hold a double standard on the Africans? Also, Ghana and some other countries apologized for the slave trade. Not likely to see that here. If there are African c00ns still celebrating slave traders as heroes, whatever. The real ones want to work with us to get shyt done.
2. Africans, like Whites, were not all one sided on the slavery issue and there was resistance from individuals all they way up to state action by bold leaders. You should read the book the Kingdom of Kongo which talks about Affonso I and his fight against slavery and the story of Queen Nzinga of Ndongo and Matamba as described by Chancellor Williams in the Destruction of Black Civilization.
Also, surprised no one mentioned this book:
Fighting the Slave Trade: West African Strategies
By Sylviane A. Diouf
3. As I said before, we should not shirk from teaching this stuff but the agendas of others want to make the slave trade a wholly African or Black thing. Dinesh D'Souza got his big fame in the mid 1990s writing The End of Racism where he describes the African slave trade and uses it in part of his argument that "slavery wasn't racist" because of African slave merchants and the relatively small amount of US Blacks that owned slaves. Then they try to talk about how much more "humane" White slave owners were, etc. They even claim the Congress of Berlin that divided up Africa for colonization was some noble meeting since the delegates of Europe decided to ban slavery once they took over Africa (now killing/genocide and robbing the natives blind was not a big deal and the Belgian Congo ended up with pseudo-slavery anyway).
Not saying we shouldn't discuss this history, but knowing how others contort it is useful too
4. My Igbo brothers and sisters need to stop defending Osu. It's like Indians defending caste. Yeah, Black people aren't inherently worse than anyone else but we don't have to defend bullshyt to prove that
Defending Osu 
I didnt see one person defending it
I didnt see one person defending it
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
What is your point?
The Arab slave trade was actually the most demonic
I did educate myself and what I’ve learned is that Arabs and Europeans have been enslaving Africans for the last 1000 years and some Africans participated in it
Black people in general whether in Africa Caribbean, Latin America or the us, need to stop cultural practices that violate individual freedom and make black prople susceptible to domination
You must be white.
DrBanneker
Space is the Place
I dunno, maybe I am reading this the wrong way but it's kind of like light skinned negroes explaining why their family gets mad at someone marrying someone dark skinned and trying to rationalize it. I get it and your culture is older than ours but I'm not with the whole "it wasn't bad since they served the Oracles etc."
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wait what did you quote me for?
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
Defending Osu
I didnt see one person defending it
The posters “explaining” refuse to say explicitly that it was a demonic system
So by not explicitly denouncing it you are implicitly defending it
