From The New Yorker: "My Great-Grandfather, the Nigerian Slave-Trader"

[Bonk]

 

[Samori Toure]

Catholicism is a branch of Christianity, not the whole tree. There were only 25,000 Catholics in the Colonies by the late-18th Century. The remaining 2.9 million+ Colonists were Protestant/Anglican/Quakers/Baptists/Congregationalists/Lutherans/Methodists/Jews.

The Pope's word carried very little to no weight in America or Europe thanks to the Great Schism and the Reformation.

That's why saying Christians, worldwide, lead the way for the abolition of slavery is an objectively, historically, true statement.​

Oh my gosh. Catholics are by far the largest group of Christians. It is not even close. If you are Protestant you are in the minority of Christians and 200 or 300 years ago the Protestant sects were definitely in the minority. In fact to even be a Protestant means that you are protesting the Catholic Church and the Pope.

Almost all of the colonies in the Caribbean, Central and South America were and are Catholic. None of the Christians, whether Catholic or Protestant were anti-slavery initially except for the Quakers.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Oh my gosh. Catholics are by far the largest group of Christians.

That bears nothing on the truth of the statement regarding Christians' abolishing slavery since ALL Christians are not Catholic, and, not ALL Catholics held/hold the same view as the Pope, then or now.

Then again, since you feel that the Pope holds that much sway over ALL Christendom....

Pope Gregory XVI - Wikipedia

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In supremo apostolatus - Wikipedia

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[W]e have judged that it belonged to Our pastoral solicitude to exert Ourselves to turn away the Faithful from the inhuman slave trade in Negroes and all other men. ... [D]esiring to remove such a shame from all the Christian nations, having fully reflected over the whole question and having taken the advice of many of Our Venerable Brothers the Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, and walking in the footsteps of Our Predecessors, We warn and adjure earnestly in the Lord faithful Christians of every condition that no one in the future dare to vex anyone, despoil him of his possessions, reduce to servitude, or lend aid and favour to those who give themselves up to these practices, or exercise that inhuman traffic by which the Blacks, as if they were not men but rather animals, having been brought into servitude, in no matter what way, are, without any distinction, in contempt of the rights of justice and humanity, bought, sold, and devoted sometimes to the hardest labour. ... We reprove, then, by virtue of Our Apostolic Authority, all the practices abovementioned as absolutely unworthy of the Christian name. By the same Authority We prohibit and strictly forbid any Ecclesiastic or lay person from presuming to defend as permissible this traffic in Blacks under no matter what pretext or excuse, or from publishing or teaching in any manner whatsoever, in public or privately, opinions contrary to what We have set forth in this Apostolic Letter.

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[IllmaticDelta]

@IllmaticDelta

I want to read your opinion on NOI’s books. I know you’re an encyclopaedia of AA history. How historically accurate are those books?

some truths but mixed with

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Here's a few more Popes that spoke against slavery.....

Pope Paul III - Wikipedia

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Pope Eugene IV - Wikipedia

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Pope Gregory XIV - Wikipedia

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Pope Urban VIII - Wikipedia

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Pope Innocent XI - Wikipedia

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So, again, Christians lead the way in the abolition of slavery.

This is simply a fact of history. Some Christians endorsing it does not mean ALL of them did.​

 

[Bonk]

Oh my gosh. Catholics are by far the largest group of Christians. It is not even close. If you are Protestant you are in the minority of Christians and 200 or 300 years ago the Protestant sects were definitely in the minority. In fact to even be a Protestant means that you are protesting the Catholic Church and the Pope.

Almost all of the colonies in the Caribbean, Central and South America were and are Catholic. None of the Christians, whether Catholic or Protestant were anti-slavery initially except for the Quakers.

That post is always disingenuous with his pseudo-history.

A meagre 29,000 out of 2.9million were Catholics? The number logically doesn’t make any sense whatsoever since Irish & Scots are Catholics and they were just as many as the English Protestants. And you also had the French who are predominately Catholics.

You don’t even need to open a book to know he’s lying.

 

[Bonk]

some truths but mixed with

Thanks.

I watched some old interview between a female Jewish professor & a Rabbi where both claimed Christopher Columbus was Jewish & most of the people on his voyage to the Americas were Jewish. They provided proofs, including letters.

Apparently, at the time, Jews in Spain was asked to either convert to Catholic or leave the country. Some of the ones that neither left nor converted decided to join him on his voyage.

Any truth to this?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Thanks.

I watched some old interview between a female Jewish professor & a Rabbi where both claimed Christopher Columbus was Jewish & most of the people on his voyage to the Americas were Jewish. They provided proofs, including letters.

Apparently, at the time, Jews in Spain was asked to either convert to Catholic or leave the country. Some of the ones that neither left nor converted decided to join him on his voyage.

Any truth to this?

yes

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Ferdinand and Isabella order expulsion of Jews from Spain

This Day in World History On January 2, 1492, Ferdinand II, King of Aragon, and Isabella, Queen of Castile, completed La Reconquista (the Reconquest) -- the Christian victory over Muslims in Spain -- by forcing the surrender of Granada, the last Muslim stronghold. Less than two months later...

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[Bonk]

yes

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Ferdinand and Isabella order expulsion of Jews from Spain

This Day in World History On January 2, 1492, Ferdinand II, King of Aragon, and Isabella, Queen of Castile, completed La Reconquista (the Reconquest) -- the Christian victory over Muslims in Spain -- by forcing the surrender of Granada, the last Muslim stronghold. Less than two months later...

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Thanks

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

That post is always disingenuous with his pseudo-history.

A meagre 29,000 out of 2.9million were Catholics? The number logically doesn’t make any sense whatsoever

Don't have to rely on logic when objective, historical data exists.....and I NEVER lie.....

Welfare and Conversion: The Catholic Church in African American Communities in the South, 1884-1939

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Antonelli’s letter giving Carroll responsibility for the U.S. mission also directed
the new prefect-apostolic to report on the condition of the American Church. Carroll’s
March 1785 response to Propaganda Fide, based on input from the twenty-four priests
in the country at the time (nineteen in Maryland and five in Pennsylvania), provided a
quantitative and qualitative assessment of the Church’s condition. Carroll’s
approximation of the number of Catholics in the country included: 15,800 in Maryland
(3,800 of them enslaved Negroes); 7,000 in Pennsylvania; 200 in Virginia; and 1,500 in
New York. Regarding the region to the south extending from the Mississippi River to the
Atlantic Coast, Carroll reported that “this tract of country contains, I hear, many
Catholics, formerly Canadians, who speak French, and I fear that they are destitute of
priests.” Although Carroll correctly identified the descendents of French-speaking
Catholics expelled from eastern Canada by the British around mid-century, he made no
mention that the territory also contained Catholics whose religious affiliation stemmed
from Spain’s and France’s colonization of the region. At the time of his letter Carroll
could not have known that Louisiana would become part of the United States in 1803;
neither could he have known that it would fall to him to assume temporary ecclesiastical authority over the region’s fifteen thousand French- and Spanish-descended Catholics,
further straining his meager resources. ~pgs. 92-93

You SHOULD read a couple things, like I do, to validate a claim instead of dismissing it as a lie because of a preexisting ideology.

29,000 Catholics out of 3 million Colonists is entirely plausible AND documented.

Neither pseudohistory, nor disingenuous.

Historical fact.

Here's his LinkedIn in case you have questions...

https://www.linkedin.com/in/william-francis-collopy-7a612342?original_referer=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.brave.com%2F

 

[LeaveMyHairLineAlone]

Thanks.

I watched some old interview between a female Jewish professor & a Rabbi where both claimed Christopher Columbus was Jewish & most of the people on his voyage to the Americas were Jewish. They provided proofs, including letters.

Apparently, at the time, Jews in Spain was asked to either convert to Catholic or leave the country. Some of the ones that neither left nor converted decided to join him on his voyage.

Any truth to this?

Source: Documents illustrative of the history of the slave trade to America. v.1.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

@Bonk

@Samori Toure

I provided you with objective PROOF of my assertion. The link is in the post so you can download and read it for yourself. Also, check the footnotes. You can also contact the author via his LinkedIn.

There were only ~29,000 Catholics in Colonial America until the early-19th Century.

Even less Jews.

The Pope's word was pretty-much meaningless.

This is not a lie, but historical fact.​

 

[Samori Toure]

@Bonk

@Samori Toure

I provided you with objective PROOF of my assertion. The link is in the post so you can download and read it for yourself. Also, check the footnotes. You can also contact the author via his LinkedIn.

There were only ~29,000 Catholics in Colonial America until the early-19th Century.

Even less Jews.

The Pope's word was pretty-much meaningless.

This is not a lie, but historical fact.​

Colonial America as in England. However, Spain and France also had colonies in what is now the USA (Texas, Florida, Louisiana territories and the Great Lakes Regions.) Those were Catholics.

Then there was the vast number of Catholics in the Caribbean, Central and South America. So most of the slave owners in the Americas were Catholics. Then on top of that the Protestant slave owners in Colonial America were definitely pro-slavery.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Colonial America as in England.

The Louisiana Territory Catholics were accounted for in the earlier post and I specified that was the late-18th Century.

The argument isn't whether or not most Christians were pro/anti-slavery.

The argument is that Christians lead the way for the abolition of slavery.

Also, the earlier list has several Spanish and French Colonies in South America/Central America outlawing slavery before America.

Haiti was liberated by a Catholic.

As far as 'the Protestant slave owners', they were a minority of the population as only the 'rich' could afford them.​

 

[Bonk]

Source: Documents illustrative of the history of the slave trade to America. v.1.

Thanks.

Are those the Jewish families?