Future - "Reasonable Doubt was not hot when it dropped"

[bigbadbossup2012]

Jay pleaded for that album to be a classic. And yes there was a bunch of albums that year that didn't make a "mark". Jay's was one of those albums. It was looked at as a hot album. It was his debut album and it didn't make a mark critically or commercially brot. Illmatic did. Ready To Die did. OBFCL did. The Infamous did. 36 Chambers did. Doggystyle. The Chronic. The list goes on and on. That shyt was on the level of AZ's Doe or Die when it dropped. Dope album but wasn't considered a game changer.

A man i'm sick of you fake nikkas trying to intertwine east coast flops with monumental west coast classics.
Quit lying

infamous
illmatic
OB4Cl

were all on Doe or Die levels.

And they didnt move anything.

RTD
Chronic
Doggystyle
36 chambers should be separate from those failures.
Despite me loving INFAMOUS

 

[spliz]

A man i'm sick of you fake nikkas trying to intertwine east coast flops with monumental west coast classics.
Quit lying

infamous
illmatic
OB4Cl

were all on Doe or Die levels.

And they didnt move anything.

RTD
Chronic
Doggystyle
36 chambers should be separate from those failures.
Despite me loving INFAMOUS

Shut up. U literally missed the entire point of what I said.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

1It wasnt commercially but it was critically. 2Not to mention it got bootlegged heavy.3 It made in undeniable impact on the rap game. Labeled classic off bat. Reasonable Doubt didnt critically or commercially. I don't understand how this is an argument cause it's not like it's a slight to Jay.

1. fukk the ratings of some asian whore in an east coast bias mag
2.Stop making excuses,bootlegging didnt begin or end with illmatc
3.It's impact is easily deniable,flopped at retail,meant nothing outside of queens projects

 

[spliz]

There are albums that are critical successes. There are albums that are commercial successes. There are albums that are BOTH. Bottom line is Reasonable Doubt was NEITHER.

 

[spliz]

1. fukk the ratings of some asian whore in an east coast bias mag
2.Stop making excuses,bootlegging didnt begin or end with illmatc
3.It's impact is easily deniable,flopped at retail,meant nothing outside of queens projects

Son I'm not gonna argue wit u. It's obvious an east coast nikka fukked ya bytch.

 

[spliz]

And if u think it was only some "asian bytch" who rated Illmatic high u obviously exposing yaself. The rap game took notice and gave a fukk about Illmatic.

 

[the cool]

What's the problem? A lot of people slept on it.

 

[Vinny Lupton]

"I gave you prophecy on my first joint and yall all lamed out, didn't really appreciate it, till the second one came out..."

this. Jay himself even acknowledges it several times

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

lol, Bait reply to try to turn this into a ''Nas vs Jay'' thread.

The illmatic situation is a lil different, The hype for Nas was there he was
being consider a golden child of hiphop, Due to heavy bootlegging Columbia Records
had to salvage what they had and put out illmatic as it is, illmattic was suppose to
have upwards to 14 -15 songs on it.

It's not different.
Nas flopped and bootlegging happens to everyone,not just artists you (and others) like to make excuses for.
His position with the general public didnt match the east coast hype machine,so he flopped and and had to change his whole style from queens street tough to Mafioso jiggy rapper to sale records.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

It was Foxy's song from the Nutty Professor sdtk.
Went plat. So did her album. Hov didn't.
Illmatic mattered outside of NY.
Only dopeboys and backpack nikkas liked RD.

Wrong. Illmatic sold slower than RD. Both flopped and meant nothing when they dropped

 

[Still Benefited]

Shut up. U literally missed the entire point of what I said.

He got a point,show some respect spliz

I look at that list and cant help but see it look as if you tried to just slide those albums in on some slick shyt,as if they was same level as Doggystyle,The Chronic....i dont think you was trying to,unlike some delusional posters would....,but from a west coast point of view i cant help but cringe.

 

[Flav]

Future compared Nas SECOND album single (If I ruled the world) to Jay Z first album.

That's not a fair comparison.

He should have compared Nas "1 Love" or "NY state of mind".

But him throwing out If I Ruled the world tells me Illmatic wasn't even on his radar cause like RD it took years for that album to go platinum too.

 

[head shots101]

Why ny cats stay in they feelings jay z wasnt known till 98 hardknock life. Only a few people knew him when he did reasonable doubt. Especially the south and west didnt know him. Jay came after pac and big and reasonable became hot after jay z career took off.

Relax fam... Lol ny cats

Alot people felt the same way in NY when it dropped in 96.... There was alot of hot ass albums at the time joint got overlooked honestly....I didn't think it was that dope when it first dropped....I felt it more as I got older

 

[choppybeats]

Neither was illmatic...

I thought it was written 1st album i didnt know about illmatic till about 97'

 

[The_Third_Man]

so?