Future - "Reasonable Doubt was not hot when it dropped"

[bigbadbossup2012]

And if u think it was only some "asian bytch" who rated Illmatic high u obviously exposing yaself. The rap game took notice and gave a fukk about Illmatic.

http://www.complex.com/music/2014/0...as-illmatic-five-mics-in-the-source-interview

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

He got a point,show some respect spliz

I look at that list and cant help but see it look as if you tried to just slide those albums in on some slick shyt,as if they was same level as Doggystyle,The Chronic....i dont think you was trying to,unlike some delusional posters would....,but from a west coast point of view i cant help but cringe.

He was trying to.
How often do they slide west coast or southern albums with lackluster sales into those lists?
Never

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Dog. It was a list that consisted of Commercial and Critical successes. I wasn't comparing the albums. U have albums that was both. Like Doggystyle, Ready To Die, The Chronic etc. There was albums that were only commercial succeses. There was albums that was only a critical success which is albums like Illmatic. Then there's RD. Which was none of those things.

And for some reason west coast nor southern albums get grouped with these batches unless they're a commercial success.

 

[spliz]

I got what you saying,but its still levels to this,and albums that had critical success alone,shouldnt be put in the same category as those that had both.....illmatic wasnt in the same stratusphere with Doggystle,Nas wasnt in the same stratosphere as Snoop....this needs to be said for the same reasons,you hell bent on letting it be known Future was right about RD...the asterisk is neccesary to differentiate.

What you are in here doing with RD,dispelling the myth it was hot and had impact when it dropped....is the exact same thing I'm doing with Illmatic....Nas had his moment later,but I'm in here for the purpose of accuracy just like you playboy.

Put it this way,Jayz and RD was closer to Nas and Illmatic, then Nas and Illmatic was to Doggystyle...i got a right to be more dismissive of this Nas nonsense,then you do Jay and RD

Nah. Cause there's actual proof of how people felt about Illmatic in the game, Critically and on the streets. Jay album doesn't have a case. There was plenty of hot albums back then. Even on the East Coast. Some that sold more than Illmatic. There is a REASON Illmatic has the status it has now. It ain't no myth. It ain't no fluke. shyt got a cosign by damn near every legendary rapper in the game back then. It had an all star cast of producers FIGHTING to work with Nas. They contributed to the project cause they wanted to. Reasonable Doubt didn't even have that. It was a good album. With not much hype around it. And didn't sell much either.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

i mean exactly what it says: when the album dropped, people bumped it...it got play....

here we go with the it 'mark' shyt again...aight man.....

People like who?

 

[spliz]

http://www.complex.com/music/2014/0...as-illmatic-five-mics-in-the-source-interview

nikka I said ONLY. U acting like she was the only one who felt that way is the problem. Illmatic made alotta nikkas change how they was rapping. Don't get the shyt twisted. All the rappers in the game took notice when Nas dropped Illmatic. From Snoop to Pac to Biggie to Wu. It was a big deal. Unfortunately it didn't get the sales it deserved. shyt a bunch of people already had the album when it was released. shyt Nas was bootlegging it himself. And being that it wasn't some commercial album. It handicapped it. Everything ain't black and white like yall making it.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

of course it came out and made an impact in the rap game. People was bumping it.

Hell, shyt went gold the same year it came out. That's half a mil sold. Dude must've been a star to be on people's radar like that.


I'm talking about Cappadonna's The Pillage from 1998.

it flopped and had lil impact

 

[Stack Money]

It was Foxy's song from the Nutty Professor sdtk.
Went plat. So did her album. Hov didn't.
Illmatic mattered outside of NY.

You thinkin of I'll Be that was Foxy's song, Ain't No nikka was both Jay and Foxy's song (really Jay's since his album came out first) it was on RD too and both songs were hits wit cats fukkin wit Jay's verses.
Illmatic sold around the same amount as Reasonable Doubt did and his album came out in 94 wit less competition than Jay had in 96.

Only dopeboys and backpack nikkas liked RD.

So you basically sayin real hip hop heads liked RD, thanks for provin Future wrong.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Not bootlegging on the level Nas had to deal with at the start of his career

Nas would record a song for illmatic at D&D studios
by the time he would make it back to QueensBridge the song would leak out.
And this was decades before the internet and social media

Still with the heavy bootlegging illmatic was considered an off the bat classic

nikka you have no idea the level of bootlegging every other album had to face and limited understanding of what nas had to face.
The excuse is bullshyt.
Everyone from everywhere gets bootlegged and this has been going on waaaaaaaay before nas and waaaaaay after.
LMAO at nikkas painting the BS picture that everyone across america didnt buy nad album cause the had the bootleg already.
nikka please

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

imo, there are a lot of people old enough to know better, but can't reply speak on hip hop with power, and be correct. a lot of people fall into the group thought of whatever the popular response is to the question. For example: "2pac is the greatest rapper ever" "biggie is the best to ever do it" I disagree with both of these statements [2pac was a sub par rapper, as far as cadence and flow and lyrical content..now he might be the REALEST, in terms of shooting cops starring in movies, court cases hit songs etc., but the best? no. and biggie only did 2 albums and some features. when he changed his flow from the yelling to the conversational delivery, only then did he begin to tap into what he was capable of. I don't feel we heard enough to say he is the greatest. because of how they got killed and what coast they represented they are to be considered the greatest? I don't think so]. I really liked "politics as usual" & "cashmere thoughts" the best on that album when it came out, as well as that ohio players loop driving biggie and jay on "brooklyn's finest". I honestly liked those when they first came out. hip hop heads were checking for "reasonable doubt" but aside from "ain't no nikka" the general public couldn't care less. I agree that the deaths of 2pac & biggie & the whole beef gave jay z an opening & him linking with the def jam machine, as well as the east coast push of dmx & ja rule helped as well. jay z even had one album that was a straight brick right? the one with all the puff daddy type remakes? when you say the best rapper or the best album, you have to first define the criteria. and beyond your personal opinion, what is your background that makes you able to speak on the topic? yeah dude got popular and people backtracked and heard it later and want to say its the best but i agree with future on this topic.

AS LONG as the public elected pac,that's all that matters.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Nah. Cause there's actual proof of how people felt about Illmatic in the game, Critically and on the streets. Jay album doesn't have a case. There was plenty of hot albums back then. Even on the East Coast. Some that sold more than Illmatic. There is a REASON Illmatic has the status it has now. It ain't no myth. It ain't no fluke. shyt got a cosign by damn near every legendary rapper in the game back then. It had an all star cast of producers FIGHTING to work with Nas. They contributed to the project cause they wanted to. Reasonable Doubt didn't even have that. It was a good album. With not much hype around it. And didn't sell much either.

Lmao,what's the proof?

 

[prophecypro]

It was a moderately successful album for its time that gained reputation as more people checked for Jay (and he emphasized the fukk out of it, seriously dude is the like the Triple H of Hip Hop saying DX was bigger to the era than NWO, Rock and Stone Cold)

I almost liken Jay in 96-97 to how Fabulous was in like the early 00s (though nicer with the rhymes obviously) in that he wasnt really projected as head and shoulders to be the leader of the coast (aside from a few writers) and was more in the second tier of NY rappers on the rise behind Nas, Biggie and perhaps even Meth who some people still had hope for as a solo superstar.

RD was the album that some people were like "this is cool keep your eye on this guy" so it didnt necessairly have the hype of Illmatic or Ready to Die. And he kinda cooled off from being a contender with In My Lifetime vol 1 (too jiggy for some) and restored perspective with Vol 3 partly because it was a commercial smash

 

[R=G]

Wrong we were bumping P in 1994 in Cincinnati and Tru TRUE was real big out here in 1995.
Hotter on the streets than OB4CL,Infamous (out here in cinci)

Yeah..he mattered in the sticks but he was a Pac biter when he finally got heard.

 

[Still Benefited]

He was trying to.
How often do they slide west coast or southern albums with lackluster sales into those lists?
Never

I dont think it was on some slick shyt though,he knows the difference,the problem is many east coasters arrogantly post list like that as if the difference doesnt matter,because its one of their classics

Let nikkas post list of west coast classics,or southern classics,that were not only classics in they region and more,but also did more commercially,or even loved critically in they region and by fans...and put them in the same list with albums like Illmatic,The Infamous,RD,Liquid Swords they would have the nerve and audacity to be disgusted

BG Chopper City
In A Major Way
Ghetto D
illmatic
The Carter 2
The Real Testament
The Infamous
Season of da Siccness
Reasonable Doubt
Thug Motivation 101
Adrenaline Rush
Liquid Swords
Explicit Game

all classics albums that made a impact,they just been brainwashed,you gotta show em the real so they can get used to seeing it in reverse,thats all...they not all illogical and delusional.

cats nationally been too humble,not speaking they real opinons,i never been scared....cant blame east coaasters for runnin wild with these crazy opinions,they been goin unchecked due to east coast media brainwashing nikkas from other regions too....nikkas dont even know if what they remember was right,and start questioning themselves.

Nawl not me,i was there nikkas...bigbadbossup was there,Future was there

 

[crush_sumpin]

AS LONG as the public elected pac,that's all that matters.

that's just it: it isn't a unanimous decision.there are others who feel that others are better.