Future - "Reasonable Doubt was not hot when it dropped"

[Stack Money]

Kee reading the thread.

A few faceless strangers in a thread don't prove what heads in 94/96 thought either.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Nas wasn't immediately viewed like THAT and neither was his album which is why cats ain't flock to the stores to cop his shyt same as Jay/RD, I'm sayin your claims that heads felt that way about Nas/Illmatic but not Jay/Reasonable Doubt is somethin you know you can't prove.

nas was viewed as the second coming from the start

 

[Stack Money]

nas was viewed as the second coming from the start

You a Nas stan of course you'd say that.

 

[mobbinfms]

A few faceless strangers in a thread don't prove what heads in 94/96 thought either.

@IllmaticDelta csme through with about 1000 receipts. Read them and get back to us.

 

[Still Benefited]

Dog. How do yall listen to rap with such terrible comprehension skills? I'm and I'm not saying it derived from Cuban Linx stylistically. But the drug dealer/rapper persona was being done already and Jay was on the back end of it. And shyt. Listen to Bring It On. Mafioso track right there. It wasn't looked at as anything new at the time. And it was his DEBUT album. Therefore it got lost in the sauce. Even tho Jay came from a more realistic perspective. Smh. And I NEVER said Illmatic and Doggystyle were on the same level. nikka did u even read my posts in this thread before u chimed in? I literally said Doggystyle was different cause it did both. Smh.

Wha the hell you been arguing with me the past 3 pages for then

You agree Doggystle had a much bigger impact and much more acclaim.

You agree with Futures assesment that nobody was checking for RD like that while Pac and Big was out.

You do realize sales help determine who was getting checked for and who wasnt right?RD and Illmatic sold nearly the same damn thing in they respective years.

Nas was in the same shoes Future says Jay was in 93,nobody was checking for him like they was checking for albums that WERE on the same level as Doggystyle....

You making your own argument,my argument is based on what Future is talking about in the OP.

Your only argument is "bu bu but Illmatic was considered a classic when it came out though".

Future never questions the quality of RD he's questioning how many nikkas was checking for it in comparison to Biggie,Pac,Cube etc....the big names

In comparison to nikkas on Snoops level,or close to Snoops level in 93/94....nikkas definitley wasnt checkin for no Nas or Illmatic,im making the same argument future made in the video

Funny hownyall understood that so well and chimed in against Jay,but soon as i bought up Illmatic yall wanna change the argument to where it benefits you...."lets not talk about sales StillnotSoft,thats not important"

How else you gon seperate who was getting checked for more than somebody else,without using sales as a factor at all

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You a Nas stan of course you'd say that.

 

[Arithmetic]

Ya'll see why a breh like Future is ahead of the game tho

He said in about a hundred interviews he study the game like its a class. He studied the Beatles to make his hooks. He studied Pac and Jay for his bars

This is his words not mine.


HENDRIX

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Links to articles coddling nas, mean nothing. The people didn't take to it and there's no proof it changed anything. nikkas think dikk riding articles hold more weight than actual documented sales (or lack there of) meant. One of a arguments was he swayed the sound from west coast dikk riding to East coast pride, but that was proven untrue.
We've had weirdos that claimed he brought NY back commercially , untrue also. All the articles don't change the fact nas flopped and switched to a more Notorious style to survive

 

[Still Benefited]

Ok my bad I was going off StillNot posts. If he was quoting you then maybe he was mistaken or maybe someone else made those claims .

Dojt apoligize,what spliz is doing right now is what i think you call a filibuster,tryna run the clock out til we get tired

Hes been slowly breaking down and agreeing on more and more points after each page,he almost there

Been arguin me up and down for 5 pages but doesnt really disagree on anything i said come to find out.

Spliz only disagreement that we have,is that you think it means more that nikkas was checking for Illmatic because it was classic and for Nas rhymes....but at the end of the day it wasnt that large of a number of people that checked for it period.

it doesnt matter if nikkas only was checking for Jay because they was drug dealers and could relate,or if they liked the Aint No nikka single.

end of the day the impact wasnt as great as the impact,the big nikkas in 93/94 had in any capacity.

Im sure the same nikkas saying Nas made them waanna step they game up said the same thing about Biggie as they sayin about Nas...and we all know nikkas was tryna be Snoop and take his sound.

nas wasnt on Big or Snoops level 93/94 ,same way jay wasnt on Pac and Biggies level in 95/96.


We have proof in the numbers that this is the case,simple mathmatics....we already broke down where Illmatic didnt actually change the soundscape,Snoop did....we already proved Nas didnt change the actual way nikkas rhymed,just "made them wanna step it up"...okay biggie did that and was more heard and celebrated while doing it,and actually did what Nas was supposed to do and didnt

 

[Still Benefited]

Links to articles coddling nas, mean nothing. The people didn't take to it and there's no proof it changed anything. nikkas think dikk riding articles hold more weight than actual documented sales (or lack there of) meant. One of a arguments was he swayed the sound from west coast dikk riding to East coast pride, but that was proven untrue.
We've had weirdos that claimed he brought NY back commercially , untrue also. All the articles don't change the fact nas flopped and switched to a more Notorious style to survive

I appreciate the fluff pieces,they are well written,but thats about where it stops...like u said,we already debated alot of the stuff its saying in this thread and it didnt add up.

Those pieces are written by people who viewed Nas as the great white hope,who were WISHING illmatic wouod take the game back from the west...ol give us back our boom bap ass nikkas

But it failed miserably,and by his sophmore he changed his sound up.

Those same people who luved illmatic for the most part far were the same ones critical of It Was Written when it came out for that very reason.

Now on some hindsight shyt those fluff pieces wanna act like Nas succeeded with Illmatic...when in fact he hopped on board the train with Biggie and Wu Tang,and helpd the east coast come back more with it Was Written then he did with Illmatic....weve already proven this by the fact nikkas didnt really change they style to rap like Nas,and the fact the boombap sound still died to the point Nas himself pretty much abandoned it after Illmatic.

 

[spliz]

Dojt apoligize,what spliz is doing right now is what i think you call a filibuster,tryna run the clock out til we get tired

Hes been slowly breaking down and agreeing on more and more points after each page,he almost there

Been arguin me up and down for 5 pages but doesnt really disagree on anything i said come to find out.

Spliz only disagreement that we have,is that you think it means more that nikkas was checking for Illmatic because it was classic and for Nas rhymes....but at the end of the day it wasnt that large of a number of people that checked for it period.

it doesnt matter if nikkas only was checking for Jay because they was drug dealers and could relate,or if they liked the Aint No nikka single.

end of the day the impact wasnt as great as the impact,the big nikkas in 93/94 had in any capacity.

Im sure the same nikkas saying Nas made them waanna step they game up said the same thing about Biggie as they sayin about Nas...and we all know nikkas was tryna be Snoop and take his sound.

nas wasnt on Big or Snoops level 93/94 ,same way jay wasnt on Pac and Biggies level in 95/96.


We have proof in the numbers that this is the case,simple mathmatics....we already broke down where Illmatic didnt actually change the soundscape,Snoop did....we already proved Nas didnt change the actual way nikkas rhymed,just "made them wanna step it up"...okay biggie did that and was more heard and celebrated while doing it,and actually did what Nas was supposed to do and didnt

U didn't really prove any of the shyt ur saying. Main reason is cause it's false. Son a few of us was the ones who let YOU know the dynamic between Nas and Biggie when them albums dropped. Now u in here tryna tell people what's what. This is the problem. Nothing was proved. Dude listed a few albums that dropped in the time frame. Meanwhile @IllmaticDelta dropped a million links from articles. To interviews and the whole nine stating the exact same shyt I been saying. Reason ur arguing wit yaself is cause I never EVER in the thread said Illmatic had the same impact as Doggystyle. This is where our argument started and I been telling u literally the ENTIRE time that that's not what I said. But on the other hand u refuse to believe that sales don't tell the whole story. Me and a few other posters was the ones who enlightened u on Nas being snubbed for Biggie. Who enlightened u on that whole dynamic so I think it's crazy that u in this thread tryna tell me what was what. Bottom line. Nas didn't sell what was expected based on the praise he was getting. Jay didn't even have any expectations. He didn't disappoint anyone cause Noone expected anything from him in the first place. The whole argument of this thread is whether Jay made an impact with Reasonable Doubt on release. He didnt. nikkas brought Nas into it tryna compare the situations cause of sales which is a flawed ass view and just proves these things weren't experienced in real time for alotta people. It's an oversimplification of the time frame based on the lack of knowledge of said time frame. Bottom line of the thread. Nas made an impact. Jay didnt. U and @bigbadbossup2012 are the only two people in the thread in agreement with eachother and there's a reason for that.

 

[Still Benefited]

U didn't really prove any of the shyt ur saying. Main reason is cause it's false. Son a few of us was the ones who let YOU know the dynamic between Nas and Biggie when them albums dropped. Now u in here tryna tell people what's what. This is the problem. Nothing was proved. Dude listed a few albums that dropped in the time frame. Meanwhile @IllmaticDelta dropped a million links from articles. To interviews and the whole nine stating the exact same shyt I been saying. Reason ur arguing wit yaself is cause I never EVER in the thread said Illmatic had the same impact as Doggystyle. This is where our argument started and I been telling u literally the ENTIRE time that that's not what I said. But on the other hand u refuse to believe that sales don't tell the whole story. Me and a few other posters was the ones who enlightened u on Nas being snubbed for Biggie. Who enlightened u on that whole dynamic so I think it's crazy that u in this thread tryna tell me what was what. Bottom line. Nas didn't sell what was expected based on the praise he was getting. Jay didn't even have any expectations. He didn't disappoint anyone cause Noone expected anything from him in the first place. The whole argument of this thread is whether Jay made an impact with Reasonable Doubt on release. He didnt. nikkas brought Nas into it tryna compare the situations cause of sales which is a flawed ass view and just proves these things weren't experienced in real time for alotta people. It's an oversimplification of the time frame based on the lack of knowledge of said time frame. Bottom line of the thread. Nas made an impact. Jay didnt. U and @bigbadbossup2012 are the only two people in the thread in agreement with eachother and there's a reason for that.

I dont mind standing alone,im used to laying the groundwork to make these nikkas question what theyve been told to believe they whole life,wouldnt be the first time

So what do u think Future meant when he said "nikkas wasnt checking for Jay and RD",keep in mind he clearly said its a classic album and it was great....when nikkas say somebody aint gettimg checked for,what has that ALWAYS meant?

You refuse to believe sales tell MOST of the story when determing who was getting checked for,which is faulty logic,and shows a lack of slang knowledge...if you cant agree on that you are in denial,because it has always meant that.

Until it stopped being convienient i guess

Was nikkas checking for Nas like they was checking for Snoop,Biggie in 93/94? Answer this question,thats all you gotta do.

Then replay the Future video,and tell me whos making up they own argument again....its a simple question with a simple answer....was nikkas checking for Nas anywhere near how they was checking for god damn Snoop dogg,Bone,Biggie in 93/94?

This should put a end to this if you answer it yes or no,make it as simple as it was in the Future vid.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

@spliz is in blatant denial. He clearly has no interest in truth, just fighting cause he doesn't want to be viewed as "wrong" but he already back tracked on multiple stances to the point he's talking for nothing.
If he's admitting it didn't sell well, and admitting that it didn't shift the sound, admitted most west coast dikkriding came after illmatic, then he has no leg to stand on.
The truth is people on the east loved illmatic.
Scattered people throughout America fukked with it slightly and it was talked up from East coast bias to nas becoming what he became.
nikkas can't accept that and are hell bent on putting extras on it.
nikkas wanna big up commercial articles that were written years after it came out.
But downplay commercial sales, which are much more valid and telling as to public interest.

 

[Stack Money]

@IllmaticDelta csme through with about 1000 receipts. Read them and get back to us.

So you deflectin onto a Nas stan tryna tag him in for backup.

Postin pages of a article written by a random person don't mean every head was sayin he was hip hop Jesus in 94.

 

[Big Boss]

Some facts in here