Future - "Reasonable Doubt was not hot when it dropped"

[mobbinfms]

This is a lie. If you knew you knew that Jay wasn't just some random cat as soon as you paid attention and started listening. If you didn't know or wasn't paying attention then that was just you sleeping. The material speaks for itself tho and it did back then too.

He wasn't a random cat. He was far from Illmatic Nas. In terms of reception.

 

[mobbinfms]

'mark' was his word, not mine....that was his way of saying it wasnt hot...

just like i said to him: you comparing albums from artists that had backing (the wu name/albums, dr dre name/album) to his debut album to say he 'was just another rapper and the album wasnt hot' lol...aight man...

as for that' hit' comment: that's what others have been saying, not me...they were saying it wasnt a hit/hot based off sales...i said: when it dropped, cats in my city and that came to my city from out of town were bumping it....also, people in my school were doing what you said when the album dropped....that's why i said the album was 'hot', and disagree with future....

Don't forget Biggie was all up in the videos.

 

[spliz]

illmatic had a commercial impact ?

I already addressed this thruout the thread. Illmatic didn't have a commercial impact. Even tho the crazy bootlegging hindered it. But it had a critical impact. When Nas dropped the whole rap game took notice. Reasonable Doubt was a dope album but it didn't have either a commercial or a critical impact. It was just another dope album. Illmatic and the other albums I listed weren't look at in that way. Reasonable Doubt didn't solidify Jay. And even he would tell u this. It was a slept on album unfortunately. Even locally. I'm born n raised in NYC and I had the album on release. nikkas felt the shyt was dope but it wasn't what it's looked at as right now. It was a grower as far as it's classic status. Who cares tho. People don't always catch on right away. And Jay fans seem to hate and rewrite any point in his career where he wasn't looked at as "that nikka".

 

[lutha]

Don't forget Biggie was all up in the videos.

this is true....people really acting like 'aint no' wasnt get push for the mainstream, while dead presidents/can i live wasnt getting push for the underground....i'm not saying RD was the best album that year, was instant classic, that jay was looked at as the best, etc., but he was far from irrelevant like cats in here trying to say.....i mean, he was relevant enough for nas to diss him on it was written....

 

[mobbinfms]

His first album? Yeah..That's right. He didn't blow up until the second album with Hard Knock Life and the Rush Hour song "Can I Get A"

Third album.

 

[director_of_bands]

I had it early me and my boy stole this out of south park mall the the week it dropped he can vouch...my boy was up on it bc he was from up north and I was just always up on sht early back then despite being in the south

 

[T.he I.nformant]

nikka think Nas first album is IWW

 

[Big Boss]

DMX ran 98

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Jay himself admits RD was underrated, meaning, it wasn't viewed as hot as he thought it was when it came out


How yall fans of this man and arguing against what he said about his own damn music

That's what I'm tripping off of, this narrative is official tissue camel cannon at this point ... RD being a project of passion that wasn't initially received the way he had hoped but was fulfilling because t(he)y put it together from the ground up and hustled is a key part of the jigga origin story...anybody with any memory of '96 can tell you jay wasn't even really a midcarder then all things considered... it's not like it's a knock considering he's the living rapper with the most solid grasp on the goat title

 

[spliz]

God damn. People making this mad difficult and even twisting what I'm tryna say. shyt. I MYSELF think Reasonable Doubt is a classic. But the album didn't make a hip hop impact when it dropped. Commercially OR critically. This can't be argued. It's just the truth. I didn't say the album wasn't fire. I didn't say people didn't cop it. I didn't say people didn't like Jay. I said NONE of those things. When I said it didnt make a "mark" doesn't mean it wasn't hot. It means it didn't take people by storm in any kind of way. It was a dope album. Nothing more. Nothing less. It's like tryna argue people didnt cop Doe Or Die cause it wasn't an Illmatic or Ready To Die type album. People knew who AZ was. He was on Illmatic. He had dope singles. All that. Noone is gonna argue that the album had an impact on the game when it dropped tho. It was a dope album in the list of dope albums that came out that year. NOT saying Jay album ain't better. I'm saying it was received in similar ways.

 

[Kitsune]

when will the fans realize there is a negative correlation to commercial success and quality of the music, if a rap album gets major billboard placement and lofty sales than I know its trash

 

[spliz]

nikka think Nas first album is IWW

He didn't say that.

 

[Larry Lambo]

I will say this. 96 had more dope hip hop albums than any other year in history. I mean look at this line up

ATLiens
The Score
Illadelph Halflife
All Eyes On Me
Makaveli: 7 Day Theory
Stakes Is High
Ridin Dirty
It Was Written
Nocturnal
Ironman
Muddy Waters
Hell On Earth
Beats, Rhymes, & Life
Legal Drug Money
Soul On Ice
The Coming
Hard Core
Bow Down
Wrath of The Math

For Jay to go Gold that year with that type of comp? It must have had some buzz.

 

[Higher Tech]

How is this a thing? Jay-Z said it himself.

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

he right, it wasnt
future is old enough to remember