Future - "Reasonable Doubt was not hot when it dropped"

[mobbinfms]

NOBODY checked for this album at all when it dropped. Jay was unknown to the world outside of NY until he did I'll be with Foxy. He had no lane till Big and PAC died. He was irrelevant.

RD sold 420,000 copies in 96. He had a gold single. How is that NOBODY?

 

[mobbinfms]

Watching the video again, Future definitely thinks IWW was Nas' first album or that If I Ruled The World was on Illmatic :pdahell2:

 

[Jack Trippa 3z company ho]

RD sold 420,000 copies in 96. He had a gold single. How is that NOBODY?

Dog, in those days EVERYBODY went at least gold. Jay didn't even do that. Nobody cared about Jay in 96. Those sales were probably all from NY, nobody checked for Jay at all on a mainstream level. You disputing that?

 

[Big Mel]

Reasonable Doubt was THE ALBUM du jour for drug dealers in New York. Can't NOOOOOOBODY tell me otherwise. I. WAS. THERE.

 

[Jack Trippa 3z company ho]

Reasonable Doubt was THE ALBUM du jour for drug dealers in New York. Can't NOOOOOOBODY tell me otherwise. I. WAS. THERE.

Yeah he made SOME noise in NY, but nobody outside of that was checking for Jay at all.

 

[OHSNAP!]

The Foxy singles (Aint No, I'll Be, Sunshine) put Jay on the map kinda in the mainstream. Then HKL and Can I Get A crushed all buildings. Nobody was really checking for RD in 96/97. Equivalent of BG selling well regionally in 96/97 but nobody really knew bout him like that nationwide/internationally

 

[mobbinfms]

Dog, in those days EVERYBODY went at least gold. Jay didn't even do that. Nobody cared about Jay in 96. Those sales were probably all from NY, nobody checked for Jay at all on a mainstream level. You disputing that?

At no point did everybody go gold. The album was actually certified gold in 96. Jay definitely wasn't mainstream. Hip hop fans were definitely checking for him or had awareness of him in 96.

 

[mobbinfms]

The Foxy singles (Aint No, I'll Be, Sunshine) put Jay on the map kinda in the mainstream. Then HKL and Can I Get A crushed all buildings. Nobody was really checking for RD in 96/97. Equivalent of BG selling well regionally in 96/97 but nobody really knew bout him like that nationwide/internationally

BG is a completely different story. Ecsuse he wasn't on a label and didn't have videos on cable or songs on the radio outside of the South. I was as hardcore as you could be in 96/97 in the Bay and I didn't know who they were until I saw Ha on Rap City.

 

[spliz]

1.Dude summoning them nikkas can't help you. Nas wasnt shyt in the grand scheme like i said.
2.Lmao,I did know Nas,we had that album in real time during it's actual run.
Songs like IT AINT HARD TO TELL & LIFE'S A bytch were dubbed off the tape on to my maxell tapes along side other songs I was bumping at the time.
But none of my friends were fukking with that album as a whole,no one from any hood I went to or school were talking about it or bumping it in their walkmans,blasting out of their cars or apt windows.
3.I didnt ask you what changed before Nas.
I asked what NAS CHANGED. And we know the answer,NOTHING!
Now,whom were some of the Ny artists prior to wutang (and later nas) coming through, that were biting the west coast?
Where's the evidence that NAS changed this back to a more east coast direction?
If Nas did such a great job shifting the sound,why did he immediately shift his sound to stay in the game?
When someone like dmx came through and was popping,he didnt have to change to what some other nikkas was doing on his followup.
He did what him and his nikkas was doing.

OK so it's safe for me to assume u either have comprehension issues or u just trolling at this point. Who gives a fukk what YOU was listening to. I'm not listing shyt cause all u gonna do is deflect or completely ignore shyt just to push ur own narrative. There's been plenty of evidence posted in this thread about Illmatic's impact but u chose to ignore that shyt cause u have an agenda. nikka u salty bout Illmatic and the east coast in general. Period. I should've known u was delusional from that damn Luke Cage thread. Like I said before. In general u a decent poster but when it comes to anything east coast related ya fukkin brain falls out.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

And as far as what changed? All of it. Even NY artists started biting the west coast sound and Wu was the first in line to bring it back and do something original that was representing us and actually getting attention for it. Nas came thru and the momentum was building. From an emcee standpoint he was getting hailed as the next Rskim and dropped a crazy album. Then Biggie came thru and sealed the deal. NY had its identity again. From sound to commercial appeal. It all worked hand in hand and Nas was one of the contributors.

@spliz
This Is Two Years Before illmatic
Lord Finesse Return of the Funky Man
Boogie Down Productions Sex and Violence
Fu-Schnickens F.U. Don't Take It Personal
Ultramagnetic MCs Funk Your Head Up
Das EFX Dead Serious
Doug E. Fresh Doin' What I Gotta Do
Gang Starr Daily Operation
Pete Rock & CL Smooth Mecca and the Soul Brother
Eric B. & Rakim Don't Sweat the Technique
EPMD Business Never Personal
Diamond D Stunts, Blunts & Hip Hop
Showbiz & A.G. Runaway Slave
Redman Whut? Thee Album
Grand Puba Reel to Reel
Kool G Rap & DJ Polo Live and Let Die



This is the year before illmatic

Heavy D & the Boyz Blue Funk
Brand Nubian In God We Trust
Digable Planets Reachin' (A New Refutation of Time and Space)
Naughty by Nature 19 Naughty III
LL Cool J 14 Shots to the Dome
Lords of the Underground Here Come the Lords
Onyx Bacdafucup
Mobb Deep Juvenile Hell
Run-D.M.C. Down with the King
Masta Ace Incorporated SlaughtaHouse
Guru Guru's Jazzmatazz, Vol. 1
The Roots Organix
Biz Markie All Samples Cleared!
MC Lyte Ain't No Other
Fat Joe Represent
Poor Righteous Teachers Black Business
De La Soul Buhloone Mindstate
KRS-One Return of the Boom Bap
Leaders of the New School T.I.M.E. (The Inner Mind's Eye)
Black Moon Enta da Stage
Erick Sermon No Pressure
A Tribe Called Quest Midnight Marauders
Wu-Tang Clan Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
Das EFX Straight Up Sewaside
Queen Latifah Black Reign

This is The year illmatic came out

Schoolly D Welcome to America
Gang Starr Hard to Earn
Kool G Rap Killer Kuts
The Roots From the Ground Up
Nas Illmatic
Shyheim AKA the Rugged Child
Jeru the Damaja The Sun Rises in the East
Gravediggaz 6 Feet Deep
Public Enemy Muse Sick-n-Hour Mess Age
Big Daddy Kane Daddy's Home
Rob Base and DJ E-Z Rock Break of Dawn
PMD Shade Business
Digable Planets Blowout Comb
O.C. Word...Life
Kool Moe Dee Interlude
Pete Rock & CL Smooth The Main Ingredient
Method Man Tical
Redman Dare Iz a Darkside
Slick Rick Behind Bars
Black Sheep Non-Fiction

So how many were sounding like west coast?

 

[Jack Trippa 3z company ho]

At no point did everybody go gold. The album was actually certified gold in 96. Jay definitely wasn't mainstream. Hip hop fans were definitely checking for him or had awareness of him in 96.

You're moving the goal post...yeah he was known by NY cats but literally nobody was checking for Jay outside of that. Most people didn't even know his name till Pac dissed him on Makaveli. He was known because of that and the Foxy joint. He wasn't known off the strength of RD by any means.

And yes, everybody was going gold. Check the soundscans.

 

[PhonZhi]

Has nothing to do with age or ''You had to be there to witness it'' type situations.

It's a simple matter of music history if you study and ''Research'' it

I myself was young when RD dropped and I remember nobody wasn't bumpin
Jay-z's music hard body until 98 - 2001

You kinda contradicted yourself with these 2 statements. And I would disagree with this not being an age and "I was there to witness it" thing. You can't simply "research" everything

Sometimes you actually had to be there and of a certain age to know the climate of the times.

That's like taking seriously the opinion of somebody who never saw Jordan play simply because he said he "researched" YouTube clips of the man playing

 

[spliz]

@spliz
This Is Two Years Before illmatic
Lord Finesse Return of the Funky Man
Boogie Down Productions Sex and Violence
Fu-Schnickens F.U. Don't Take It Personal
Ultramagnetic MCs Funk Your Head Up
Das EFX Dead Serious
Doug E. Fresh Doin' What I Gotta Do
Gang Starr Daily Operation
Pete Rock & CL Smooth Mecca and the Soul Brother
Eric B. & Rakim Don't Sweat the Technique
EPMD Business Never Personal
Diamond D Stunts, Blunts & Hip Hop
Showbiz & A.G. Runaway Slave
Redman Whut? Thee Album
Grand Puba Reel to Reel
Kool G Rap & DJ Polo Live and Let Die



This is the year before illmatic

Heavy D & the Boyz Blue Funk
Brand Nubian In God We Trust
Digable Planets Reachin' (A New Refutation of Time and Space)
Naughty by Nature 19 Naughty III
LL Cool J 14 Shots to the Dome
Lords of the Underground Here Come the Lords
Onyx Bacdafucup
Mobb Deep Juvenile Hell
Run-D.M.C. Down with the King
Masta Ace Incorporated SlaughtaHouse
Guru Guru's Jazzmatazz, Vol. 1
The Roots Organix
Biz Markie All Samples Cleared!
MC Lyte Ain't No Other
Fat Joe Represent
Poor Righteous Teachers Black Business
De La Soul Buhloone Mindstate
KRS-One Return of the Boom Bap
Leaders of the New School T.I.M.E. (The Inner Mind's Eye)
Black Moon Enta da Stage
Erick Sermon No Pressure
A Tribe Called Quest Midnight Marauders
Wu-Tang Clan Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
Das EFX Straight Up Sewaside
Queen Latifah Black Reign

This is The year illmatic came out

Schoolly D Welcome to America
Gang Starr Hard to Earn
Kool G Rap Killer Kuts
The Roots From the Ground Up
Nas Illmatic
Shyheim AKA the Rugged Child
Jeru the Damaja The Sun Rises in the East
Gravediggaz 6 Feet Deep
Public Enemy Muse Sick-n-Hour Mess Age
Big Daddy Kane Daddy's Home
Rob Base and DJ E-Z Rock Break of Dawn
PMD Shade Business
Digable Planets Blowout Comb
O.C. Word...Life
Kool Moe Dee Interlude
Pete Rock & CL Smooth The Main Ingredient
Method Man Tical
Redman Dare Iz a Darkside
Slick Rick Behind Bars
Black Sheep Non-Fiction

So how many were sounding like west coast?

U forgot to mention Illmatic was circulating in 93. And look at the list before 93. That def wasn't ALL the shyt that dropped but compare that list to the 93 list when nikkas like Wu and Nas and Black Moon and Onyx and Tribe. I didn't say Nas was the SOLE reason shyt shifted but Nas was one of the TOP contributors of the shift. There was Def artist's that tried biting and shyt was starting to get stagnant as well. I will say looking back at the albums it was more of that latter. It was stagnation and we got a surge in 93 and took it from there. Now that I think about it it was more people biting the west coast around the 94-96 era than anything. Track's like Where My Homiez which is my shyt and Masta Aces INC Ride was clear west coast bites. Masta Ace was kinda shameless wit his shyt. Lol

 

[SpacelySprockets]

Watching the video again, Future definitely thinks IWW was Nas' first album or that If I Ruled The World was on Illmatic :pdahell2:

he was probably just referring to 1996 since thats when jays debut dropped and nas was already hot even while big and pac was alive

 

[Jack Trippa 3z company ho]

he was probably just referring to 1996 since thats when jays debut dropped and nas was already hot even while big and pac was alive

Nas was a contemporary with Big and Pac. He was popping in 96. Jay was a nobody. All facts.