Future - "Reasonable Doubt was not hot when it dropped"

[Inspect Her Deck]

Selling 42000 first week is nothing to sneeze at

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Thank u. Now watch that retard completely not give a fukk about that link even tho it says the exact shyt I was saying. Lol. Ol hindsight what I was listening to in my house ass nikka.

 

[Still Benefited]

Yall nikka both wrong. And yall only feel like yall winning cause yall either creating yall own arguments or completely ignoring facts presented to u. This is why I don't waste my time wit the posting of the links n all that shyt. I shouldn't even be wasting my time arguing wit nikka's who never gonna get it. It's a REASON yall literally the only 2 nikka's in the thread arguing yall point. Noone in theyre right mind who actually around at the time and wasn't a casual fan would argue Reasonable Doubt and Illmatic's impact was similar.

I didnt argue that either,onlyna fool would argue Illmatics impact is similar to Snoops or Biggies.

In the video Future puts RD against the hottest nikkas at the moment and concludes RD wasnt hot because nikkas wasnt checking for it like that,yet he agrees its a classic.

I agree yall thought Illmatic was a classic,might be a classic....but nikkas STILL wasnt rocking with it in comparison to how they was rocking with the biggest nikkas in the game in 93,94....aint no difference in the context of what Future is talking about in the video.

Funny how its okay to put Illmatic in the same sentence with Doggystyle,but now RD and Illmatic aint anything similar?how?aimt RD a classic,didnt they both sell around the same.

Like i said earlier,RD is closer to Illmatic in reference,then Illmatic is to Doggysyle point blank period....ive been saying this whole thread its levels to this shyt,glad you on board now homie

Remember the lack of similarities IN FULL next time yall wanna put Illmatic and Doggystyle in the same tier.

U creating your own argument and definitions,im going based on the context of this video,why wont you?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

nikkas think spamming Illmatic propaganda means something,it don't

Im spamming facts. Now go kick rocks

even nas biggest foe knows the deal

DX: We spoke about Queensbridge earlier and as someone in the scene for over two decades to you, which was the biggest album in QB when it was released: Illmatic, The Infamous, The War Report, or something different?

Cormega: It’s kind of difficult to compare anything to Illmatic. Illmatic changed Rap. The Infamous was an incredible, glorious album too, man. I mean all three of those albums were pretty good but Illmatic is just a whole another level. Illmatic did for Hip Hop, what Paid In Full did in the ‘80s with Eric B and Rakim, Illmatic did in the ‘90s.

Cormega Charts His Growth After Industry Blacklisting Following The Firm Split

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

I didnt argue that either,onlyna fool would argue Illmatics impact is similar to Snoops or Biggies.

In the video Future puts RD against the hottest nikkas at the moment and concludes RD wasnt hot because nikkas wasnt checking for it like that,yet he agrees its a classic.

I agree yall thought Illmatic was a classic,might be a classic....but nikkas STILL wasnt rocking with it in comparison to how they was rocking with the biggest nikkas in the game in 93,94....aint no difference in the context of what Future is talking about in the video.

Funny how its okay to put Illmatic in the same sentence with Doggystyle,but now RD and Illmatic aint anything similar?how?aimt RD a classic,didnt they both sell around the same.

Like i said earlier,RD is closer to Illmatic in reference,then Illmatic is to Doggysyle point blank period....ive been saying this whole thread its levels to this shyt,glad you on board now homie

Remember the lack of similarities IN FULL next time yall wanna put Illmatic and Doggystyle in the same tier.

U creating your own argument and definitions,im going based on the context of this video,why wont you?

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[spliz]

I didnt argue that either,onlyna fool would argue Illmatics impact is similar to Snoops or Biggies.

In the video Future puts RD against the hottest nikkas at the moment and concludes RD wasnt hot because nikkas wasnt checking for it like that,yet he agrees its a classic.

I agree yall thought Illmatic was a classic,might be a classic....but nikkas STILL wasnt rocking with it in comparison to how they was rocking with the biggest nikkas in the game in 93,94....aint no difference in the context of what Future is talking about in the video.

Funny how its okay to put Illmatic in the same sentence with Doggystyle,but now RD and Illmatic aint anything similar?how?aimt RD a classic,didnt they both sell around the same.

Like i said earlier,RD is closer to Illmatic in reference,then Illmatic is to Doggysyle point blank period....ive been saying this whole thread its levels to this shyt,glad you on board now homie

Remember the lack of similarities IN FULL next time yall wanna put Illmatic and Doggystyle in the same tier.

dog I'm not saying Illmatic and Doggystyle had the SAME kind of impact. I'm just arguing that they both had an impact. While Reasonable Doubt didnt. This is what I mean when I say yall creating yall own arguments. U literally been glossing over the fact I been saying the same shyt since the beginning. And in hip hop circles. It gets more tricky with Illmatic vs Ready To Die. They can very much be compared when it comes to cultural impact. Ready To Die had Illmatic influences for christ sakes. Biggie had those commercial singles that pushed him over the top as far as sales n shyt. But culturally they were being pit against eachother.

 

[spliz]

/thread

No. Open thread.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

dog I'm not saying Illmatic and Doggystyle had the SAME kind of impact. I'm just arguing that they both had an impact. While Reasonable Doubt didnt. This is what I mean when I say yall creating yall own arguments. U literally been glossing over the fact I been saying the same shyt since the beginning. And in hip hop circles. It gets more tricky with Illmatic vs Ready To Die. They can very much be compared when it comes to cultural impact. Ready To Die had Illmatic influences for christ sakes. Biggie had those commercial singles that pushed him over the top as far as sales n shyt. But culturally they were being pit against eachother.

Yes but to categorise 'impact' so loosely means you're being disingenuous when comparing the likes of Illmatic to Doggystyle. If you really wanna nudge Illmatic ahead of RD, them it belongs in a mediocre category of impact. Doggystyle and Cube albums and Ready to Die etc. are a step up.

 

[spliz]

Illmatic had a cultural impact but not a commercial impact. Reasonable Doubt didnt have either one. It's literally as SIMPLE as that. It don't mean the album was wack. It don't mean nikkas ain't cop it. It don't mean nikkas ain't like it. But what I said. Is a fact. Not an opinion.

 

[eastsideTT]

not gonna read through all 38 pages of this but what else is there to say besides he was right? Anyone who was of age and remembers when this album dropped should remember it as a decent, OKAY drop-in-the-bucket of albums during a year in which 99% of the country was thinking of everything else EXCEPT for Jay-Z. It's easy to look back with monday morning QB vision and certify it as a classic but it definitely did NOT have that feel when it came out. When it dropped it was a typical east coast money/mafioso rap album and there was absolutely nothing groundbreaking or special about it. Anyone who tells you otherwise either wasn't there or is a delusional Jay stan. Which is acceptable...Jay is great... but get the facts straight. No one was saying he was GREAT up to, and immediately after this album. That GOAT status came with time and unfortunately came with the deaths and fall-offs of a lot of other people in the game... facts. I couldn't help but laugh at the 25 year anniversary recently and people lauding this album as a classic. It isn't even Jay's best album and isn't in the same league as his peer's "firsts" that get mentioned as classics

 

[spliz]

Yes but to categorise 'impact' so loosely means you're being disingenuous when comparing the likes of Illmatic to Doggystyle. If you really wanna nudge Illmatic ahead of RD, them it belongs in a mediocre category of impact. Doggystyle and Cube albums and Ready to Die etc. are a step up.

No nikka. no. Ur wrong too. Reasonable Doubt came out on the back end doing what nikkas already was doing for a couple years already. Which is why it didn't STAND OUT. not commercially. Not culturally. U had dope albums. And u had albums that changed the game culturally. And u had albums that changed the game culturally and commercially. Then u had the albums that did NONE of that. Reasonable Doubt did NONE of that upon initial release. I can list Illmatic and Doggy style in the same sentence to make my point of both albums having an impact but a different type of impact. NEVER did I say it was the same.

 

[spliz]

Put it like this. With the amount of praise Nas was getting. He was EXPECTED to sell more than what he sold. His sales were disappointing. Reasonable Doubt had no expectations.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Yes but to categorise 'impact' so loosely means you're being disingenuous when comparing the likes of Illmatic to Doggystyle. If you really wanna nudge Illmatic ahead of RD, them it belongs in a mediocre category of impact. Doggystyle and Cube albums and Ready to Die etc. are a step up.

no because Illmatic had a cultural impact that was positive on the culture....RD didn't. Illmatic is even probably the origin of the split in HipHop from a commercial/underground (backpacker) POV

Hip-Hop debates


Illmatic has also helped to shape the attitudes and perceptions of hip hop fans, who cherish it as a music template that defines the genre's conventions. As music critic Jeff Weiss writes, “Illmatic is the gold standard that boom-bap connoisseurs refer to in the same way that Baby Boomers talk about Highway 61 Revisited. The evidence they point to when they want to say: this is how good it can be.”[20] New York Times columnist Jon Caramanica also credits the album with inadvertently spawning hip hop's counterculture. "Illmatic" he writes, "mobilized a national network of dissidents craving something true to the streets but eager to distance themselves from what was beginning to be perceived as a scourge – gangster rap." According to Caramanica, Nas' debut was received by these fans as a "rebuke" towards trends that were beginning to shape mainstream rap: "the pop crossover, the exuberant production values, [and] the splintering of rap into blithe and concerned wings."[27]

For this reason, Caramanica considers Illmatic to be "unusually significant to the intellectual development of the [hip-hop] genre" yet he also remains critical of the divisiveness spawned by its "zealots."[27] In his essay, "'Night Time is More Trife Than Ever': The Many Misuses of Nas," he writes: "Illmatic is responsible for countless pointless 'rap versus hip-hop debates,' a shocking amount of hip-hop self-righteousness, the emergence of the backpack movement as something more than a regional curio, and the persistence of the idea that lyricism is the only standard great rap music should be held to."[27] Commenting on these polarized debates, Jeff Weiss suggests that Illmatic is "best heard by ignoring the dogma, culture wars, Nas clones, and would-be saviors that have accreted since April of 1994. Who cares whether it's the greatest rap album of all-time or not? It's an example of how great rap can be, but not necessarily the way it should be."[20]'

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

And guess what. It got its place in history nikka. . Yea u definitely are. I don't see u responding to all the facts @IllmaticDelta posts cause u full of shyt dog. I already told him that he's a better poster than me cause he takes his time to post links n shyt like that. I don't have the patience for all that shyt.

Lol at u crying on his lap like he's big mama​

 

[spliz]

Lol at u crying on his lap like he's big mama​

If that's the case u been dikkriding and jerkin off @StillNotSoft. That's my dude but he's literally the only person in the thread that agrees with ya shytty points. Which I don't even think he even fully agrees with u. tho.