Germany Just Abolished College Tuition Fees

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Imagine treating your young people like they are the future of the country. What a novel idea.
Yeah, all the Stunnas and Macks know
When you adults are gone for those forty eight months
getting ready to put the country on their back though
I was like, "Hah, it's our time, nikka"
He left Hamburg University with a Ph.D in Physics, that's my nikka

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That was my initial thought....I'll rather pay more taxes by helping others to go to school and having no loans instead of paying the bytch.
You already do pay taxes to help others to go to school. Part of the state income tax revenue goes towards state universities. That's why state schools are cheaper than private universities.
 

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Tax. That's how the other European countries do it.
Their population is lower than the US. So, it's more feasible.

I don't know if it's more feasible. Our population is larger, but so is our economy. They just prioritize education and welfare of their people over say foolish military adventures and empire building.
 

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I don't know if it's more feasible. Our population is larger, but so is our economy. They just prioritize education and welfare of their people over say foolish military adventures and empire building.
The US spends a lot of their budget on welfare, this include unemployment insurance expenses, social security, medicare, housing subsidies, and welfare. Defense is second to that. And, a lot of third world countries in this hemisphere who rely on the Monroe Doctrine (e.g. Grenada) as a form of defense, because they do not have the resources to spend on a military. We're providing military defense for non-American people and countries. Does Germany do that? Oh no. They don't.
 

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The US spends a lot of their budget on welfare, this include unemployment insurance expenses, social security, medicare, housing subsidies, and welfare. Defense is second to that. And, a lot of third world countries in this hemisphere who rely on the Monroe Doctrine (e.g. Grenada) as a form of defense, because they do not have the resources to spend on a military. We're providing military defense for non-American people and countries. Does Germany do that? Oh no. They don't.
No, we could it if we wanted to. Washington is just on dumb shyt as usual. I was very happy when Ezra Klein said people in DC do terrible research--like borderline in competence, let alone interest groups. For example:

Here's Exactly How Much the Government Would Have to Spend to Make Public College Tuition-Free
And the grand total is...

JORDAN WEISSMANN JAN 3 2014, 2:15 PM ET

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Reuters
A mere $62.6 billion dollars!

According to new Department of Education data, that's how much tuition public colleges collected from undergraduates in 2012 across the entire United States. And I'm not being facetious with the word mere, either. The New America Foundation says that the federal government spent a whole $69 billion in 2013 on its hodgepodge of financial aid programs, such as Pell Grants for low-income students, tax breaks, work study funding. And that doesn't even include loans.

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If we were we scrapping our current system and starting from scratch, Washington could make public college tuition free with the money it sets aside its scattershot attempts to make college affordable today.

Of course, we're not going to start from scratch (and I'm not even sure we should want to make state schools totally free). But I like to make this point every sooften because I think it underscores what a confused mess higher education finance is in this country. On the whole, Americans seem to want affordable colleges that are accessible to all. But rather than simply using our resources to maintain a cheap public system (and remember, public schools educate 75 percent of undergrads), we spill them into a fairly wasteful and expensive private sector. At one point, a Senate investigation found that the for-profit sector alone was chowing down on 25 percent of all federal aid dollars.

If that story sounds awfully similar the problems the U.S. faces with healthcare costs, well, that's because it is similar. Americans have an allergy to straightforward policy solutions involving the public sector. And for that, we pay a price.

Update—Friday Jan. 3, 3:45 PM: Just to clarify, because some readers have asked, making tuition free in 2012 would have required $62.6 billion on top of what state and local governments already spend subsidizing public colleges, as well as some of the federal spending that doesn't go towards financial aid. Again, you can find a detailed breakdown of how our colleges are funded in theDepartment of Education's data.

For anybody interested in reading more about the idea of making public college tuition free, and the vast array of economic considerations that would entail, here's a lengthy piece I wrote last year.

Update—Friday Jan. 3, 4:31 PM: One more update to answer another good question I've received. Technically, you could say the additional cost of making college tuition free would be even cheaper than $62.6 billion. How come? Because most Pell Grant money is already spent at public colleges. In 2011 - 2012, state school students received $21.8 billion in grants. So, if you subtract that from the total needed to completely eliminate tuition, it the sum would be closer to $40 billion. (Apologies for not teasing that point out earlier. I'd noted it in a previous article and didn't think to repeat it.)
 

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The US spends a lot of their budget on welfare, this include unemployment insurance expenses, social security, medicare, housing subsidies, and welfare. Defense is second to that. And, a lot of third world countries in this hemisphere who rely on the Monroe Doctrine (e.g. Grenada) as a form of defense, because they do not have the resources to spend on a military. We're providing military defense for non-American people and countries. Does Germany do that? Oh no. They don't.

Y'all protecting your own interests and making sure the US miltary industrial complex keeps on eating good breh.
 

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Y'all protecting your own interests and making sure the US miltary industrial complex keeps on eating good breh.
Nature of the beast.
The US military sends its nuclear-powered aircraft carriers on humane missions to places that need help after a major natural disaster to provide medical services and water (nuclear ships have a desalination plant on board). No third-world country has that capacity.
 
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