Germany Just Abolished College Tuition Fees

[mbewane]

How does this refute the claim that we are providing protection to these nations in any way?

"Providing protection" makes it sound like you're doing out of altruism, which is BS. The US is just managing its interests in the world, like any country. Washington doesn't care one bit about "protecting" Europe or Japan lol, they only do because they gain more from it (directly or indirectly) than otherwise.

 

[mbewane]

Nature of the beast.
The US military sends its nuclear-powered aircraft carriers on humane missions to places that need help after a major natural disaster to provide medical services and water (nuclear ships have a desalination plant on board). No third-world country has that capacity.

Who's talking about third-world countries? I thought this thread was about Germany.

How did you guys handle Katrina?

 

[A Real Human Bean]

I'm @ how germany is slowly abandoning what made it the EU's power house and becoming more like the rest of europe.

What exactly are you referring to here?

 

[unit321]

Who's talking about third-world countries? I thought this thread was about Germany.

How did you guys handle Katrina?

Germany hasn't sent any support to haiti.
Katrina disaster was handled poorly. Even post-katrina stuff was bungled. Way too many trailers just left unused, that were meant for displaced residents.
FEMA is not controlled by the US military. Don't mix up agencies with different leaders.

 

[DEAD7]

"Providing protection" makes it sound like you're doing out of altruism, which is BS. The US is just managing its interests in the world, like any country. Washington doesn't care one bit about "protecting" Europe or Japan lol, they only do because they gain more from it (directly or indirectly) than otherwise.

Motives in this case are inconsequential(IMHO). To me what's important is the behavioral changes and systemic processes it creates.
By alleviating the need for strong national defense we free up resources for these nations to invest in other areas such as education and healthcare... and if you add in the cost of running the world when making comparisons, its amazing how close we are to them in those areas.

 

[Brown_Pride]

How their govt. is going to pay for people to go to school?

by not spending so much on military like some other countries do.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The US spends a lot of their budget on welfare, this include unemployment insurance expenses, social security, medicare, housing subsidies, and welfare. Defense is second to that. And, a lot of third world countries in this hemisphere who rely on the Monroe Doctrine (e.g. Grenada) as a form of defense, because they do not have the resources to spend on a military. We're providing military defense for non-American people and countries. Does Germany do that? Oh no. They don't.

Yep.

The US literally keeps shipping lanes open in nations that once used to be shipping powers.

shyt is hilairous.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Motives in this case are inconsequential(IMHO). To me what's important is the behavioral changes and systemic processes it creates.
By alleviating the need for strong national defense we free up resources for these nations to invest in other areas such as education and healthcare... and if you add in the cost of running the world when making comparisons, its amazing how close we are to them in those areas.

And you leave a power vacuum in a region of the world (Europe) that can't help but keep infighting every 50 years.

 

[Blackking]

The US spends a lot of their budget on welfare, this include unemployment insurance expenses, social security, medicare, housing subsidies, and welfare. Defense is second to that. And, a lot of third world countries in this hemisphere who rely on the Monroe Doctrine (e.g. Grenada) as a form of defense, because they do not have the resources to spend on a military. We're providing military defense for non-American people and countries. Does Germany do that? Oh no. They don't.

How does this refute the claim that we are providing protection to these nations in any way?

We shouldn't be protecting anyone.. building million dollar bases anywhere..... starting wars.
We should build up our defense, but not attempt to maintain an empire.
We ignore madddddddd genocide and fukkery in this world- so it's not even about doing the right thing......we are just protecting financial and political interest.

With some of that money - we could afford more Educational grants, Better educational loan rates (or less than 1% interest), and more free education. A more educated population > over the top defense of all these fukk nations.

 

[DEAD7]

more educated population > over the top defense of all these fukk nations.

 

[Robbie3000]

The US spends a lot of their budget on welfare, this include unemployment insurance expenses, social security, medicare, housing subsidies, and welfare. Defense is second to that. And, a lot of third world countries in this hemisphere who rely on the Monroe Doctrine (e.g. Grenada) as a form of defense, because they do not have the resources to spend on a military.

Monroe Doctrine? What year are we in 1823? Update your fear mongering game.

We're providing military defense for non-American people and countries. Does Germany do that? Oh no. They don't.

You say that like it's a badge of honor. Most countries don't want us meddling in their affairs.

 

[unit321]

We shouldn't be protecting anyone.. building million dollar bases anywhere..... starting wars.
We should build up our defense, but not attempt to maintain an empire.
We ignore madddddddd genocide and fukkery in this world- so it's not even about doing the right thing......we are just protecting financial and political interest.

With some of that money - we could afford more Educational grants, Better educational loan rates (or less than 1% interest), and more free education. A more educated population > over the top defense of all these fukk nations.

20th century decisions have been made. We got bases in Germany, England, Italy, Cuba, Korea, Japan, etc. It is what it s. The US leaders of the past knew there needed to be an American military presence to deter future military attacks against our allies.
Back then, college was not for those with a lowly pedigree. No one ever thought of giving a free college education to a farm boy or factory worker's children.
We didn't have to create these bases, but at the time, there was a military advantage. And now, some of these bases don't serve any purpose.

 

[unit321]

Monroe Doctrine? What year are we in 1823? Update your fear mongering game.

You wouldn't know it but all the Caribbean nations know its there just in case.

You say that like it's a badge of honor. Most countries don't want us meddling in their affairs.

That's right, until they don't have the supplies or equipment to recover from a natural disaster... because Germany doesn't meddle in their affairs. They don't even send help or money.

 

[Blackking]

20th century decisions have been made. We got bases in Germany, England, Italy, Cuba, Korea, Japan, etc. It is what it s. The US leaders of the past knew there needed to be an American military presence to deter future military attacks against our allies.
Back then, college was not for those with a lowly pedigree. No one ever thought of giving a free college education to a farm boy or factory worker's children.
We didn't have to create these bases, but at the time, there was a military advantage. And now, some of these bases don't serve any purpose.

We keep adding. we have buildings in iraq that cost over 11million. we are expanding into africa..........
we have closed bases before and can easily close bases in EU.
We can pull completely out of the Mid east - and just leave our cia there.

And the justification for all of this can be.......


We want free national higher education, better early childhood education, and wish to invest in our people before dishing money out

 

[DEAD7]

We want free national higher education, better early childhood education, and wish to invest in our people before dishing money out

This direct correlation drawn between defense spending, and edu spending needs to be spelled out a little clearer for me

Is spending still seen as the issue with education? Its been shown time and time again that throwing money at the problem doesn't(and won't) fix it...
Why does this argument persist?