Ghostface >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biggie

[Rapmastermind]

I understand that, but I don't think that the OP is trying to insinuate that Ghost is an iconic figure like Big and Pac. He's not. He never sold like they have, had the impact on the game (solo wise) as they had and never grabbed the mainstreams attention like they did. But Ghost isn't that type of artist and never will be. But in terms of MC'ing, he's in hip hops avant-garde. Top tier MC. He's up there with the best. Classic verses. Classic albums. Creativity out the ass. Member of raps greatest group. Major league storytelling ability. Ghost is as quality an MC as you can get. Listen, for most of my adult life I believed Biggie was the greatest MC ever and that there never would be an MC as good as he is, but Ghostface and Nas have created too many quality verses since Big's death to say that Big is better than either one. Too many. Biggie was a rap God on the mic for like 3 or 4 years, Ghostface has been one for damn near 20 years. nikkas gotta stop with the bullshyt and take a more cerebral look at it. Ghost is probably gonna drop at least two more albums full of quality verses just this year alone! Stop treating the God like he's some run of the mill MC who shouldn't be in the same sentence as the greats.

I don't think I ever even disputed what your saying about Ghost. But when I said Ghost was Top 25-50 all time, you thought that was out of line. You do realize that has been over 1,000 emcees right? The fact that I said Ghost is within the Top 50 is proof that he's A-List emcee. Now when I talk about "Teir's" obviously there are going to be other factors. Impact is one them. Sure Wu is one of the greatest groups of all time but as solo emcee, Ghost hasn't had the Biggie type of impact. Sure he's respected and nobody is disputing his skills but Biggie is another level as far as impact and influence on Hip Hop. Also when I say Impact, it's not just about sales. Biggie is revered more for his skills than going Diamond.

 

[Billy Ocean]

I don't think I ever even disputed what your saying about Ghost. But when I said Ghost was Top 25-50 all time, you thought that was out of line. You do realize that has been over 1,000 emcees right? The fact that I said Ghost is within the Top 50 is proof that he's A-List emcee. Now when I talk about "Teir's" obviously there are going to be other factors. Impact is one them. Sure Wu is one of the greatest groups of all time but as solo emcee, Ghost hasn't had the Biggie type of impact. Sure he's respected and nobody is disputing his skills but Biggie is another level as far as impact and influence on Hip Hop. Also when I say Impact, it's not just about sales. Biggie is revered more for his skills than going Diamond.

Okay, going by what you feel an MC should be judged by when debating his status in hip hop history, name 25 MC's better than Ghost.

 

[George W. Piff]

1. Cuban Link album is better than both BIG albums

2. BIG was biting Ghost and Rae HEAVY, he bit off Nas shyt!

Whole thread is garbage.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Okay, going by what you feel an MC should be judged by when debating his status in hip hop history, name 25 MC's better than Ghost.

Look man you can agree with me or not but naming 24 I view as better than him doesn't change the debate that he's not considered a Top 10 emcee like Big which many in this thread already agreed with. If you have Ghost higher than 25, good for you. My opinion isn't the end all be all at the same time it's how I view him. I've listened to all his work and that's where he falls for me. There have been plenty of list released and Ghost hasn't been much higher than the 20's some past 30's. Sure those list aren't the end all be all but I'm not that only one that views him in the 20's or lower. Ghost own wiki page sites About.com having him at #28 of the top 50 emcees. You claim I don't now about Ghost yet your own Mic Ratings are almost the same as mines.

 

[keon]

another thing ya'll fail to mention is the IMPACT Biggie had..cuz during the early 90's, the west was running shyt, and it was 1 mc that brought the east coast back into the limelight(nationally)...it wasn't NAS,it wasn't the WU, and it damn sure wasn't Jay..it was B.I.G

 

[Billy Ocean]

Look man you can agree with me or not but naming 24 I view as better than him doesn't change the debate that he's not considered a Top 10 emcee like Big which many in this thread already agreed with. If you have Ghost higher than 25, good for you. My opinion isn't the end all be all at the same time it's how I view him. I've listened to all his work and that's where he falls for me. There have been plenty of list released and Ghost hasn't been much higher than the 20's some past 30's. Sure those list aren't the end all be all but I'm not that only one that views him in the 20's or lower. Ghost own wiki page sites About.com having him at #28 of the top 50 emcees.

On this date, April 4, 2013, I find it hard to believe that any avid hip hop listener can name 20 MC's with a better MC career better than Ghostface. I'm sorry. Unless your criteria for great MC's is albums sold and other stuff independent to actual MC'ing, than I find it ridiculous. Ghost is easily a Top 10 MC. At least Top 10. He's too talented. For example...RZA had a lil toy project he wanted to do with Black Dynamite composer Adrian Younge. He (or his Soul Temple partner Bob Perry) asked Ghost as a favor just to lay down some verses that reads like a story for the project. In his sleep Ghost knocked out some conceptual bars that will be the most salient aspect of what is going to be one of the best albums of the year. He did it just for fun. Ghost is MC elite. 20 MC's better than him career wise is laughable.

 

[Rapmastermind]

another thing ya'll fail to mention is the IMPACT Biggie had..cuz during the early 90's, the west was running shyt, and it was 1 mc that brought the east coast back into the limelight(nationally)...it wasn't NAS,it wasn't the WU, and it damn sure wasn't Jay..it was B.I.G

What people fail to realize though "36 Chambers" and "ILLmatic" were right there in bringing the East Back meaning they got the fire going. The problem with the Eastcoast wasn't quality records. The East NEVER stopped dropping quality albums. The problem was they weren't selling. "36 Chambers" went Gold and "ILLmatic" took 2 years to go Gold. Meanwhile, Dre - Multi-Plat, Snoop- Multi-Plat, Warren G- Multi Plat. The west was DOMINATING the charts and the critics. It wasn't until "Ready To Die" that the East finally had an album that could compete. Biggie even acknowledged that there was going to be shift in the intro to "Ready To Die". Just as he walking out of Prison, you hear Snoop's "Da Shiznit" playing in the background. Biggie then goes:

"I got Big plans n!gga, Big Plans"

That intro goes through the entire history of hip hop up until that point. "Things Dun Changed" samples Dr. Dre from The Chronic also. Big is credited for Bringing the East Back cause "Ready To Die" ended the sales drought for the East and caused the shift that put the East on Top through the rest of the 90's.

 

[Consigliere]

Only based on volume of work.

As nice as Ghost is nobody knows all the words to any of his songs. BIG had that type of music making talent and impact even without the hype.

Having classic music and verses that fans know by heart >>>>>>>>>

 

[Billy Ocean]

The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die Intro - YouTube


What people fail to realize though "36 Chambers" and "ILLmatic" were right there in bringing the East Back meaning they got the fire going. The problem with the Eastcoast wasn't quality records. The East NEVER stopped dropping quality albums. The problem was they weren't selling. "36 Chambers" went Gold and "ILLmatic" took 2 years to go Gold. Meanwhile, Dre - Multi-Plat, Snoop- Multi-Plat, Warren G- Multi Plat. The west was DOMINATING the charts and the critics. It wasn't until "Ready To Die" that the East finally had an album that could compete. Biggie even acknowledged that there was going to be shift in the intro to "Ready To Die". Just as he walking out of Prison, you hear Snoop's "Da Shiznit" playing in the background. Biggie then goes:

"I got Big plans n!gga, Big Plans"

That intro goes through the entire history of hip hop up until that point. "Things Dun Changed" samples Dr. Dre from The Chronic also. Big is credited for Bringing the East Back cause "Ready To Die" ended the sales drought for the East and caused the shift that put the East on Top through the rest of the 90's.

Of course Ready to Die's sales rivaled Death Row's album sales because Puffy's records were the East Coast version of Death Row's mainstream, clean sound. There was no way an album of 9 dusthead goons from New York's most obscure borough was gonna sell like what Puffy concocted. But 36 Chambers and Illmatic laid the groundwork for the East Coast comeback. They were just as important to the revival as Biggie.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Only based on volume of work.

As nice as Ghost is nobody knows all the words to any of his songs. BIG had that type of music making talent and impact even without the hype.

Having classic music and verses that fans know by heart >>>>>>>>>

Stupid statement. I know more Young Jeezy verses by heart than Rakim verses, but I would never ever try to say that he's better than the God MC. I bet most of today's generation know more Kanye verses than Kool G. Rap verses. Don't mean shyt. Come better next time, breh.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Of course Ready to Die's sales rivaled Death Row's album sales because Puffy's records were the East Coast version of Death Row's mainstream, clean sound. There was no way an album of 9 dusthead goons from New York's most obscure borough was gonna sell like what Puffy concocted. But 36 Chambers and Illmatic laid the groundwork for the East Coast comeback. They were just as important to the revival as Biggie.

Yea but if you think about it, "Ready To Die" mostly had that same raw and rugged sound. It's a myth that "Ready To Die" was some commercialize LP. With tracks like "Gimmie the Loot, Warning, Ready To Die etc". The only difference was "Big Poppa and Juicy" were able to be sold to the mainstream. "One More chance" wasn't even a commercial record on the LP until they remixed it. The point is quality records alone couldn't bring the East Back. You needed Biggie to seal the deal cause Dre, Snoop and Warren G were too dominate at the time.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Yea but if you think about it, "Ready To Die" mostly had that same raw and rugged sound. It's a myth that "Ready To Die" was some commercialize LP. With tracks like "Gimmie the Loot, Warning, Ready To Die etc". The only difference was "Big Poppa and Juicy" were able to be sold to the mainstream. "One More chance" wasn't even a commercial record on the LP until they remixed it. The point is quality records alone couldn't bring the East Back. You needed Biggie to seal the deal cause Dre, Snoop and Warren G were too dominate at the time.

Of course, Big had some raw NY gritty shyt on his album. But he also had One More Chance and Juicy fueling it's success. Wu had CREAM and Nas had what...It Ain't Hard to Tell? Let's keep it real breh.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Funny when nikkas take their favorite underachieving rapper and try to elevate him over a nikka that didi it better. BIG has more Classic songs,classics verses on 2 albums than ghost had his whole career. If you coming from a famous click and cant propel that into being a rapper don,then you dont need to be compared to a nikka whom became a superstar without coming from a popular clique. close thread

 

[hex]

Here we go with this shyt again.

The west wasn't running shyt. Dre, Snoop, and Warren G? That's one camp.

Damn near every rapper from the east was going gold, plat, or multi-plat before, during, and after BIG. This whole "BIG saved the east from obscurity, the west was on top" is a fallacy. One camp from the west was on top, and yes they were selling a shyt ton of records, but one BIG album going 4x plat on the east was hardly enough to shift the balance.

Hell, BONE was selling around the same amount as BIG, you don't hear anyone claiming Ohio was on top.

And "36 Chambers" and "Illmatic" both went plat. at trying to figure out when an album actually went gold/plat based on the date on RIAA. That's when the cert was requested, not when it gold/plat. You could sell 20 million records and RIAA ain't gonna certify it until the label pays. That's when it'll say it was certified.

Fred.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Of course Ready to Die's sales rivaled Death Row's album sales because Puffy's records were the East Coast version of Death Row's mainstream, clean sound. There was no way an album of 9 dusthead goons from New York's most obscure borough was gonna sell like what Puffy concocted. But 36 Chambers and Illmatic laid the groundwork for the East Coast comeback. They were just as important to the revival as Biggie.

hell naw,remove wu-tang and nas and biggie and jay still bring ny back. Remove biggie and they'd never had came back.