Ghostface >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biggie

[Billy Ocean]

hell naw,remove wu-tang and nas and biggie and jay still bring ny back. Remove biggie and they'd never had came back.

This nikka talmbout Jay-Z. Mannnn, sit ya ass down. SMH.

 

[Sunalmighty]

Indisputable classics? Never heard anyone in real life play those shyts :heh2:

And he's been spitting the same verse for 20 yrs

BIG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Aside from the million who bought Ironman, and the 500k plus who bought SC. Someone was listening

 

[Rapmastermind]

Of course, Big had some raw NY gritty shyt on his album. But he also had One More Chance and Juicy fueling it's success. Wu had CREAM and Nas had what...It Ain't Hard to Tell? Let's keep it real breh.

NaS singles just didn't connect mainstream wise but Hip Hop heads was feeling them. NaS had 5 singles on "ILLmatic" and "It ain't hard to tell" was his biggest hit. "CREAM" had the streets on lock man and "Can it all be so simple" was just too classic. So again I would never take away what "36 Chambers" and "ILLmatic" did for the Eastcoast Renaissance but if "Ready To Die" didn't make that shift, the West would of still been in power.

Ready To Die (Blueprint for Commercial/Street formula) Multi-Plat by 95
36 Chamber (Blueprint for Hardcore Production) Plat by 95
ILLmatic (Blueprint for Lyricism/multiple big name production) Gold by 96


Also I have to show love to Black Moon and Smif and Wesson for dropping amazing East Coast albums in 93 and 94.

 

[Sunalmighty]

Nas, Kool g rap, Ghostface, Krs, Black thought/ice cube. In THAT order for me

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

This nikka talmbout Jay-Z. Mannnn, sit ya ass down. SMH.

what about the rest of the post?

 

[hex]

hell naw,remove wu-tang and nas and biggie and jay still bring ny back. Remove biggie and they'd never had came back.

The fukk?

Everyone you named was selling more than Jay at that time. Jay was a nonfactor in '95. Hell, LL Cool J was going 2x plat in '95, which is more than Jay sold. Wu went 4x plat in '97....again, more than Jay sold.

Fred.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Here we go with this shyt again.

The west wasn't running shyt. Dre, Snoop, and Warren G? That's one camp.

Damn near every rapper from the east was going gold, plat, or multi-plat before, during, and after BIG. This whole "BIG saved the east from obscurity, the west was on top" is a fallacy. One camp from the west was on top, and yes they were selling a shyt ton of records, but one BIG album going 4x plat on the east was hardly enough to shift the balance.

Hell, BONE was selling around the same amount as BIG, you don't hear anyone claiming Ohio was on top.

And "36 Chambers" and "Illmatic" both went plat. at trying to figure out when an album actually went gold/plat based on the date on RIAA. That's when the cert was requested, not when it gold/plat. You could sell 20 million records and RIAA ain't gonna certify it until the label pays. That's when it'll say it was certified.

Fred.

Sorry bro, That ONE CAMP was dominating Hip Hop. "The Chronic" shut 92 down, "Doggysytle" shut 93 down. "Warren G Regulate" was shutting 94 down until Biggie came. "36 Chambers" went plat 2 years after it was released. "ILLmatic" went gold in 96 after "It Was Written" blew and didn't go Plat until "STILLmatic" Dropped. Sorry man, the East was in a sales drought. Sure they were going Gold but they weren't competing with the West. You can't sit here and tell me Dre and Snoop wasn't running Hip Hop cause they were.

"Momma said knock you out" was the last Platinum New York Solo album before "Ready To Die". If Eastcoast rappers were going Multi-plat like you said then Snoop and Dre wouldn't of taken over the game. I think only Eastcoast groups were really making noise like Das EFX, Naughty, Onyx and Tribe. But none of them were bigger than Dre and Snoop once they dropped. The shift happen with "Ready To Die" cause an Eastcoast Solo emcee was not only on the charts but had the critical acclaim. After that the flood gates opened. LL came back strong, then NaS, then Jay, then DMX etc.

The Chronic 3x Platinum
Doggystyle 4x Platinum
Warren G 3x Platinum

But they weren't running Hip Hop? Listen I ride for the East as much as anyone but you can't front, The West took over in the early 90's.

 

[Rapmastermind]

As far as the East Coast hierarchy of popularity it was:

Biggie RTD>>>>>>LL MS>>>>>>>NaS IWW

Jay didn't go Platinum till Biggie stopped breathing. Jay benefited from Post-Biggie death. NaS and LL were the only ones with Biggie at the time for NY as far as success.

"Only n!ggas in NY with #1 charts" - NaS (But he forget to mention LL who came back strong with "Mr. Smith")

 

[hex]

Sorry bro, That ONE CAMP was dominating Hip Hop. "The Chronic" shut 92 down, "Doggysytle" shut 93 down. "Warren G Regulate" was shutting 94 down until Biggie came. "36 Chambers" went plat 2 years after it was released. "ILLmatic" went gold in 96 after "It Was Written" blew and didn't go Plat until "STILLmatic" Dropped. Sorry man, the East was in a sales drought. Sure they were going Gold but they weren't competing with the West. You can't sit here and tell me Dre and Snoop wasn't running Hip Hop cause they were.

"Momma said knock you out" was the last Platinum New York Solo album before "Ready To Die". If Eastcoast rappers were going Multi-plat like you said then Snoop and Dre wouldn't of taken over the game. I think only Eastcoast groups were really making noise like Wreck and Effects, Naughty, Onyx and Tribe. But none of them were bigger than Dre and Snoop once they dropped. The shift happen with "Ready To Die" cause an Eastcoast Solo emcee was not only on the charts but had the critical acclaim. After that the flood gates opened. LL came back strong, then NaS, then Jay, then DMX etc.

The Chronic 3x Platinum
Doggystyle 4x Platinum
Warren G 3x Platinum

But they weren't running Hip Hop? Listen I ride for the East as much as anyone but you can't front, The West took over in the early 90's.

Breh, I dunno if you know this or not, but the "certified" date on RIAA means when it was certified. Not when it actually sold 500k, 1 mill, or whatever. You could sell 1 mill in '95, but if your label doesn't pay for the cert until 2005, it'll look like it took you a decade to go plat.

So half your argument is out the window. People in the east were going gold, plat, and multi-plat before, during and after BIG and Death Row. I think it's funny people say "the west took over the game, they were unstoppable!" but when Death Row ceased to exist the west faded into obscurity. What happened to the east after BIG died? Since he was so important to them selling records and being in the spotlight, they disappeared, right? Hell no. They continued to sell. Why? Because him "saving them" is bullshyt.

Fred.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

The fukk?

Everyone you named was selling more than Jay at that time. Jay was a nonfactor in '95. Hell, LL Cool J was going 2x plat in '95, which is more than Jay sold. Wu went 4x plat in '97....again, more than Jay sold.

Fred.

None of this is news to me. I'm saying east woulda came back with biggie alone. Jay was his man and would had either been a great side kick (had biggie lived) or became the don after biggie died (which did happen).
But BIggie would have brought the east back without nas or wu.
That's the TRUE POINT

 

[Awesome Wells]

No.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Breh, I dunno if you know this or not, but the "certified" date on RIAA means when it was certified. Not when it actually sold 500k, 1 mill, or whatever. You could sell 1 mill in '95, but if your label doesn't pay for the cert until 2005, it'll look like it took you a decade to go plat.

So half your argument is out the window. People in the east were going gold, plat, and multi-plat before, during and after BIG and Death Row. I think it's funny people say "the west took over the game, they were unstoppable!" but when Death Row ceased to exist the west faded into obscurity. What happened to the east after BIG died? Since he was so important to them selling records and being in the spotlight, they disappeared, right? Hell no. They continued to sell. Why? Because him "saving them" is bullshyt.

Fred.

Wigga please..... If it's not biggie,then we can say badboy. The 2 biggest east coast artists of post biggie,were walked into stardom by biggie or biggies team.

Jay was on lil kim's album 2mil,LAD 11mil, Harlem world 4 mil, No way out 7 mil and had biggie on his album and in video

Dmx was on mase album and in 2 very prominent classics song's videos of bad boy artist.


Biggie and puffy brought back NY

 

[Piff Perkins]

if I had to sum it up

Ghost is the greatest storyteller
Ghost has the best discography
Ghost has four classic albums (Ironman, SC, OG Bulletproof Wallets, Fishcale)
Ghost has more classic albums in the 21st century than the 20th century
Ghost reached a level of floss and swag in this video that no man has ever reached before:
[ame=http://vimeo.com/6400895]Ghostface Killah - Apollo Kids (feat. Raekwon) on Vimeo[/ame]

 

[hex]

@bigbadbossup2012

The east never "came back".

Let's remove BIG from history. He never existed.

Wu would've still went plat-4x plat. Nas plat-2x plat. Jay plat-3x plat, LL plat-2x plat, Naughty By Nature plat, Redman plat, A Tribe Called Quest plat, Onyx plat, Busta Rhymes plat, Big Pun plat, DAS EFX plat, Ghostface going plat, Method Man going plat....

etc etc etc etc

Before, during and after BIG. The "east was struggling" is bullshyt. Yes, no one person was selling 4x mill like Snoop or Dre. But those guys were more or less the only people selling on the west. Meanwhile on the east you had 15-20 people going plat or multi-plat. If you count gold it's even worse.

Fred.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Breh, I dunno if you know this or not, but the "certified" date on RIAA means when it was certified. Not when it actually sold 500k, 1 mill, or whatever. You could sell 1 mill in '95, but if your label doesn't pay for the cert until 2005, it'll look like it took you a decade to go plat.

So half your argument is out the window. People in the east were going gold, plat, and multi-plat before, during and after BIG and Death Row. I think it's funny people say "the west took over the game, they were unstoppable!" but when Death Row ceased to exist the west faded into obscurity. What happened to the east after BIG died? Since he was so important to them selling records and being in the spotlight, they disappeared, right? Hell no. They continued to sell. Why? Because him "saving them" is bullshyt.

Fred.

Name a Mult-platinum Eastcoast album while Dre and Snoop where out? No Eastcoast LP went Multi-platinum during that time cause RTD was the 1st. As for RIAA certs, it's not like today. They were on top of those certs back then quick cause they wanted to promote when an album was a success. I've had time to research this from 92- before Ready To Die dropped. Here are the Eastcoast Sales:

92' EMPD - Business never personal - Gold
92' Das Efx Dead Serious - Platinum
92' Redman - What thee Album - Gold
93' Naughty By Nature 19 Naughty III - Gold (Eventually Platinum)
93' Onyx Bacdafucup - Platinum
93' Queen Latifah - Black Reign - Gold
93' Wu Tang Enter The 36 Chambers - Gold (Platinum by 95)
93' Digable Planets - Reaching - Gold
93' Tribe called Qwest - Midnight Muraders - Gold (Platinum by 96)
94' Redman Dare iz a Darkside - Gold

So again where are the Multi-Platinum albums like Snoop, Dre and Warren? I never said the East wasn't selling, I said they weren't moving Death Row/West Coast units and they weren't. Most of these were group albums. Like I said as you can see quality wasn't the issue, The East was dropping Classics left and right but they weren't moving the same units as the West. Until Biggie kicked in the door. The only album that was as Big as Dre's as far as going Multi-Platinum in the Early 90's was Arrested Developement and they were southern not Eastcoast. The Biggest albums of 94 were Biggie, Warren G, Da Brat, Bone, Meth and Beastie Boys as far as sales.