Ghostface >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biggie

[bigbadbossup2012]

@bigbadbossup2012

The east never "came back".

Let's remove BIG from history. He never existed.

Wu would've still went plat-4x plat. Nas plat-2x plat. Jay plat-3x plat, LL plat-2x plat, Naughty By Nature plat, Redman plat, A Tribe Called Quest plat, Onyx plat, Busta Rhymes plat, Big Pun plat, DAS EFX plat, Ghostface going plat, Method Man going plat....

etc etc etc etc

Before, during and after BIG. The "east was struggling" is bullshyt. Yes, no one person was selling 4x mill like Snoop or Dre. But those guys were more or less the only people selling on the west. Meanwhile on the east you had 15-20 people going plat or multi-plat. If you count gold it's even worse.

Fred.

Then why were they hating?

 

[hex]

Wigga please..... If it's not biggie,then we can say badboy. The 2 biggest east coast artists of post biggie,were walked into stardom by biggie or biggies team.

Jay was on lil kim's album 2mil,LAD 11mil, Harlem world 4 mil, No way out 7 mil and had biggie on his album and in video

Dmx was on mase album and in 2 very prominent classics song's videos of bad boy artist.

Biggie and puffy brought back NY

at the goal post moving. That's how you know someone is losing the discussion.

First it was BIG, now it's the whole Bad Boy roster.

Fred.

 

[ThaRealness]

maybe...

I feel like its not a fair comparison though since ghostface's strongest asset is his discography

 

[Consigliere]

Stupid statement. I know more Young Jeezy verses by heart than Rakim verses, but I would never ever try to say that he's better than the God MC. I bet most of today's generation know more Kanye verses than Kool G. Rap verses. Don't mean shyt. Come better next time, breh.

The fact you know more Jeezy verses than Rakim verses reflects more on you and your tastes than my overall point.

You're also being intellectually dishonest. BIG & Ghost were peers. Rakim and Jeezy aren't. G Rap and Kanye aren't either.

BIG had more memorable verses than Ghost with a 1/4 of his body of work.

As much as I like GFK, BIG was shooting a much higher percentage and didnt need endless features (and ghostwritten bars from Superb) from his homies to make an album.

Throw in the writing he did on KIM's first album and the work w/ Junior Mafia and it isnt even close to me.

 

[kingofnyc]

Just off the strength of the work he put in on 36 chambers the purple tape

plus he has more classics than biggie. Ironman & Supreme Clientele both undisputed classics and sold well. Even though Bulletproof wallets was a failure commercially most hip hop heads deem it classic


Ghostface a much more versatile artist, he could get on any beat and smash it. Big rarely changed his flow up


Ghostface Killah feat. Raekwon - The Hilton - YouTube

 

[hex]

Name a Mult-platinum Eastcoast album while Dre and Snoop where out? No Eastcoast LP went Multi-platinum during that time cause RTD was the 1st. As for RIAA certs, it's not like today. They were on top of those certs back then quick cause they wanted to promote when an album was a success. I've had time to research this from 92- before Ready To Die dropped. Here are the Eastcoast Sales:

92' EMPD - Business never personal - Gold
92' Das Efx Dead Serious - Platinum
92' Redman - What thee Album - Gold
93' Naughty By Nature 19 Naughty III - Gold (Eventually Platinum)
93' Onyx Bacdafucup - Platinum
93' Queen Latifah - Black Reign - Gold
93' Wu Tang Enter The 36 Chambers - Gold (Platinum by 95)
93' Digable Planets - Reaching - Gold
93' Tribe called Qwest - Midnight Muraders - Gold (Platinum by 96)
94' Redman Dare iz a Darkside - Gold

So again where are the Multi-Platinum albums like Snoop, Dre and Warren? Most of these were group albums. Like I said as you can see quality wasn't the issue, The East was dropping Classics left and right but they weren't moving the same units as the West. Until Biggie kicked in the door. The only album that was as Big as Dre's as far as going Multi-Platinum in the Early 90's was Arrested Developement and they were southern not Eastcoast. The Biggest albums of 94 were Biggie, Warren G, Da Brat, Bone, Meth and Beastie Boys as far as sales.

Breh, what part of "RIAA cert dates are meaningless" do you not understand? You keep quoting "xyz album went plat by this year" obviously not understanding it has no bearing on what the album actually sold in that time frame.

The cert is given when it is paid for and requested by the label. Not when it actually sells that amount. They don't even audit or track the sales until the service is paid for. It says that right on the RIAA site.

That's the way it's always been, more or less since the RIAA's inception.

Fred.

 

[feelosofer]

As someone who saw Biggie from start to finish, I would BIG was an incredible lyricist. Every verse dude dropped was like a punch in the gut and while it was not always perfect it was impactful. Biggie told tales of the street in such a unique yet familiar perspective. Biggie was the ebodiment of East Coast hip-hop in it's prime because he set the blue print for the mid 90's plus embodying that gutter NY sound through lyricism in that period. Like an earlier poster said, I think Ready to Die is a top 10 hip-hop album of all time and a top 100 musical album period in any genre.

Ghostface though brings something else, Ghostface lyrically is like Picasso, a brilliant artist whose spits rhymes in abstract technicolor. Of all the Wu Members Ghost is arguably the most relevant. Dude has dropped at least 2 classic albums (Ironman, Supreme Clientele) 2 near classics (Pretty Toney and Fishscale) even his disappointments aren't even wack. Dude has been so conceptual and has been in the game for over 20 years, so yes in some ways he has surpassed Biggie. I mean being completely objective Ghost is a top 15 rapper of all time without question and I could easily argue a top 10 spot. His discography is that cold and he still produces at a near elite level.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

at the goal post moving. That's how you know someone is losing the discussion.

First it was BIG, now it's the whole Bad Boy roster.

Fred.

Nobody's moving anything. Biggie was the star of that movement. My opening statement was "remove biggie and the east doesnt come back" Hence remove badboy's influential power and the east doesnt comeback. It's called clarification

 

[hex]

Then why were they hating?

The east?

They were overly protective of what they created. Some could say, rightfully so.

They did the same thing to the south back in '95, and Outkast/the south damn sure wasn't running hip-hop. If they did that over a Source award, how much more adamant do you think they'd be about multiple artists from another region going 3-4x plat? Gangster rappers at that, which the east wasn't comfortable with for years.

Fred.

 

[Billy Ocean]

The fact you know more Jeezy verses than Rakim verses reflects more on you and your tastes than my overall point.

You're also being intellectually dishonest. BIG & Ghost were peers. Rakim and Jeezy aren't. G Rap and Kanye aren't either.

BIG had more memorable verses than Ghost with a 1/4 of his body of work.

As much as I like GFK, BIG was shooting a much higher percentage and didnt need endless features (and ghostwritten bars from Superb) from his homies to make an album.

Throw in the writing he did on KIM's first album and the work w/ Junior Mafia and it isnt even close to me.

Ok, you wanna talk about peers...I know more Kanye verses by heart than I do Beanie Sigel verses. Don't make him better. Like I said, you mentioning who's verses you remember more don't mean shyt in this debate and you sound stupid for even posting that shyt.

Also, you're just showing your bias by bringing up unproven ghostwriting bullshyt. I never heard a Perb verse as masterful as ANYTHING Ghost wrote after he seperated himself from Perb. You bringing Perb up shows you don't know shyt about Ghost material and should stay idle during this debate.

 

[TrapHouse Rock]

at people talking about 2 BIG albums....one of which ("LAD") was underwhelming when it dropped.....are better than 20+ years of verses and 10 Ghost albums.

The power of an untimely death, ladies and gentlemen. It cannot be beat.

Fred.

this


only thing this thread showed me is how fukkin overrated life after death is.


i cant even get through that album straight all the way through, it doesn't remotely hold a candle to ready to die despite having my favorite big song 'sky's the limit' on it and several other great songs


i prefer big from a voice standpoint and i love ready to die, but ghost in terms of discography and versatility is a no-brainer. anyone who argues against his ability to make different types of songs is simply deluded

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

The east?

They were overly protective of what they created. Some could say, rightfully so.

They did the same thing to the south back in '95, and Outkast/the south damn sure wasn't running hip-hop. If they did that over a Source award, how much more adamant do you think they'd be about multiple artists from another region going 3-4x plat? Gangster rappers at that, which the east wasn't comfortable with for years.

Fred.

smh at you cosigning their hater nonsense

 

[Billy Ocean]

As someone who saw Biggie from start to finish, I would BIG was an incredible lyricist. Every verse dude dropped was like a punch in the gut and while it was not always perfect it was impactful. Biggie told tales of the street in such a unique yet familiar perspective. Biggie was the ebodiment of East Coast hip-hop in it's prime because he set the blue print for the mid 90's plus embodying that gutter NY sound through lyricism in that period. Like an earlier poster said, I think Ready to Die is a top 10 hip-hop album of all time and a top 100 musical album period in any genre.

Ghostface though brings something else, Ghostface lyrically is like Picasso, a brilliant artist whose spits rhymes in abstract technicolor. Of all the Wu Members Ghost is arguably the most relevant. Dude has dropped at least 2 classic albums (Ironman, Supreme Clientele) 2 near classics (Pretty Toney and Fishscale) even his disappointments aren't even wack. Dude has been so conceptual and has been in the game for over 20 years, so yes in some ways he has surpassed Biggie. I mean being completely objective Ghost is a top 15 rapper of all time without question and I could easily argue a top 10 spot. His discography is that cold and he still produces at a near elite level.

Beautiful posting. And i love the fact that you not bringing up records sold, bringing the East back during the mid 90's and other bullshyt like remembering verses like @Rapmastermind and @bigbadbossup2012 . this man ya'll.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

As someone who saw Biggie from start to finish, I would BIG was an incredible lyricist. Every verse dude dropped was like a punch in the gut and while it was not always perfect it was impactful. Biggie told tales of the street in such a unique yet familiar perspective. Biggie was the ebodiment of East Coast hip-hop in it's prime because he set the blue print for the mid 90's plus embodying that gutter NY sound through lyricism in that period. Like an earlier poster said, I think Ready to Die is a top 10 hip-hop album of all time and a top 100 musical album period in any genre.

Ghostface though brings something else, Ghostface lyrically is like Picasso, a brilliant artist whose spits rhymes in abstract technicolor. Of all the Wu Members Ghost is arguably the most relevant. Dude has dropped at least 2 classic albums (Ironman, Supreme Clientele) 2 near classics (Pretty Toney and Fishscale) even his disappointments aren't even wack. Dude has been so conceptual and has been in the game for over 20 years, so yes in some ways he has surpassed Biggie. I mean being completely objective Ghost is a top 15 rapper of all time without question and I could easily argue a top 10 spot. His discography is that cold and he still produces at a near elite level.

If this is true,why was he NEVER AND I DO MEAN NEVER THAT nikka EVER. came from a clique that went multi plat and has made great music 20 yrs straight? then what's the problem? nikkas need to stop making excuses as to why their favorite bum ass rapper cant cut the mustard. Truth is his flow aint shyt. He just an alright rapper with alright music.

 

[hex]

smh at you cosigning their hater nonsense

What? Outkast is my favorite group of all time. Them getting booed was bullshyt.

But I'm not from NY so who am I to say how they should've handled something they created? Especially given how things went since then.

Fred.