Any rapper that dropped more than two dope albums is arguably better than Biggie was. Biggie didn't live long enough to drop a Nastradamus, or long enough to recieve his own custom made
Quality trumps quantity.
Ghostface >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biggie
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Quality trumps quantity.
Is it backwards day? BIG has a far less versatile catalog than Ghost. I realize BIG died but he rapped about the same shyt on 2 albums. Ghost don't even rap about the same shyt on the same album, let alone the same verse for 20 years. You're telling me "Child's Play", "Underwater", "Shaky Dog", "Fish", "The Sun", and "Rise of the Ghostface Killah" are all the same verse?
Fred.
It's crazy to say that either one was one dimensional.
The only reason he's now seen as damn near perfect is because he died. Nobody was talking about "BIG is the GOAT" when he was alive, let's be real here.
If he lived, and eventually fell off, we'd be looking at his entire legacy with completely different eyes. And he most likely would've fallen off. Saying "nah he wouldn't" would be like if 50 Cent died directly after "The Massacre" dropped. Imagine how different the perception of his career would be.
Record sales aside, the chances of BIG putting out consistently good music for 20 years, like Ghost has been doing, is slim to none. Especially with Puffy in his ear.
Fred.
Didn't you just point out that the Source hailed him as the King of NY?
Pool_Shark
Can’t move with me in this digital space
This was a good ass thread. Wish there were more of these on here.
Some of the more off the wall subjects that Ghost raps about don't, in and of themselves make him a better emcee than BIG.
Don't get me wrong - all those songs from Ghost are great, but the argument "Big ain't as good bc he never made a song where he argued with his watch" is a pretty weak one.
Both were creative emcees who knew how to craft unconventional songs.
Beautiful post. I disagree with the last part though. Ghost is dope as shyt and its closer than you think.
I agree. When it comes to storytelling Big got it hands down.
King of NY =/= GOAT.
And even then, like I said, other rappers were
that he basically came out of nowhere and got that title. Now though, it's "BIG is the GOAT, hands down the most important MC NY has ever seen"....nobody was saying that shyt when he was alive. Death changes everything, like I said. If you criticize a rapper when he's alive, it's ok. But if he dies? You look like a dikk head. Even Ghost and Rae who were leading the charge against him being over rated back then basically
after he died, because if they kept up the same argument they'd look like a$$holes.Fred.
No one is arguing that Ghost is better than BIG based on him rapping about off the wall shyt. The only reason Ghost's versatility got mentioned is because people were saying wild shyt like "Ghost been rapping the same verse for 20 years" and that BIG is more versatile in 2 albums than Ghost has been in 20 years and 10 albums.
Which is
as hell.Fred.
Thanks fam, and I didnt mean for the statement to be read as a knock towards ghost. Thats just how highly I think of big.
Big's tracks were almost cinematic like. On songs like Suicidal tendencies, and warning his tight and simple, yet intricate at the same time, flow paints such flawless pictures that captivate, and put you right in the middle of the action. You can literally envision what hes talking about, which is aided by his HD clear voice.
Ghost is great, but if you listen to some of his tracks, his rhymes become unfocused and he loses his way. His abstract rhyming style is crazy dope, but sometimes I think it just becomes confusing and wayward. Again there are some things ghost does better, but big was in another galaxy as an overall rapper at his peak.
Rapmastermind
Superstar
King of NY =/= GOAT.
And even then, like I said, other rappers were
Death changes everything, like I said. If you criticize a rapper when he's alive, it's ok. But if he dies? You look like a dikk head. Even Ghost and Rae who were leading the charge against him being over rated back then basically
Fred.
Death does change everything cause there some finality to death. But there have been other rappers that died and they aren't talked about like Biggie. Death of course plays a role when your young and die (James Dean, Hendrix etc) but it's the art that has to stand the test of time. James Dean only released 3 movies before his death yet he's considered one of the greatest actors of all time and influenced a whole generation of actors. Hendrix only released 3 LP's before his death yet he's the undisputed greatest guitar player of all time. Biggie's work is Legendary. Pun and Big L only dropped 2 LP's but are they in Goat discussions like Big? So it takes more than Death.
Big dropped 2 Classics, was on a ton of great collabos, put on one of the greatest female emcees ever on, Put the East on his back and made them relevant again commercially, set a whole new blueprint that is still being followed and he died. All we can do is judge him on what he did not what he could of done. Someone just did a post about how Biggie greatest hits is back on the charts after 7 years. You know why? cause his music is timeless and people discovering it year after year.
As far as at the time, by the time "Ready To Die" dropped, Biggie ran New York. Were there emcees happy about it? Of course not but Big was still King. Rae and Ghost both dropped Classics but they were never bigger than Big at anytime after "Ready To Die" dropped. When the Source said Big was the King of NY that was back when they had creditibility, back when fans called them the Hip Hop Bible. At this point the debate seems to be about quantity not quality as Every time I read "So and So is better than Biggie" the "Only 2 albums" is brought up it's like the only debate anyone has cause they can't talk about his skills.
King of NY =/= GOAT.
And even then, like I said, other rappers were
Death changes everything, like I said. If you criticize a rapper when he's alive, it's ok. But if he dies? You look like a dikk head. Even Ghost and Rae who were leading the charge against him being over rated back then basically
Fred.
People didn't talk about who was the GOAT back then. People weren't legacy obsessed. It was about being the hottest at the moment, the top dog.
By the Source crowning him King of NY - that was among the highest praise a rapper could get. And it wasn't just The Source. The point is that a lot of people, certainly not all, thought BIG was the dominant force in the game almost immediately.
JayBaldacci
All Star
ghost dont have any verse's that just had me like
that tony/montana song was the closest
Uh, ghost is top 5 in classic verses
No one is arguing that Ghost is better than BIG based on him rapping about off the wall shyt. The only reason Ghost's versatility got mentioned is because people were saying wild shyt like "Ghost been rapping the same verse for 20 years" and that BIG is more versatile in 2 albums than Ghost has been in 20 years and 10 albums.
Which is
Fred.
I hear you - that was crazy to say Ghost has been spitting the same verse for 20 years. Ignorant actually.
That last part though is one of the disadvantages of passing away that No Bammer Weed was talking about.
Death does change everything cause there some finality to death. But there have been other rappers that died and they aren't talked about like Biggie. Death of course plays a role when your young and die (James Dean, Hendrix etc) but it's the art that has to stand the test of time. James Dean only released 3 movies before his death yet he's considered one of the greatest actors of all time and influenced a whole generation of actors. Hendrix only released 3 LP's before his death yet he's the undisputed greatest guitar player of all time. Biggie's work is Legendary. Pun and Big L only dropped 2 LP's but are they in Goat discussions like Big? So it takes more than Death.
Big dropped 2 Classics, was on a ton of great collabos, put on one of the greatest female emcees ever on, Put the East on his back and made them relevant again commercially, set a whole new blueprint that is still being followed and he died. All we can do is judge him on what he did not what he could of done. Someone just did a post about how Biggie greatest hits is back on the charts after 7 years. You know why? cause his music is timeless and people discovering it year after year.
As far as at the time, by the time "Ready To Die" dropped, Biggie ran New York. Were there emcees happy about it? Of course not but Big was still King. Rae and Ghost both dropped Classics but they were never bigger than Big at anytime after "Ready To Die" dropped. When the Source said Big was the King of NY that was back when they had creditibility, back when fans called them the Hip Hop Bible. At this point the debate seems to be about quantity not quality as Every time I read "So and So is better than Biggie" the "Only 2 albums" is brought up it's like the only debate anyone has cause they can't talk about his skills.
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