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I think the word God turns people off it automatically elicits religious connotations. Even so, I still fail to see how people can look up in the sky see the sun, see stars, see the moon and willingly go against the premise of a creator. Obviously you can go much deeper than that, and I'm not saying that should be enough for everyone, but the shyt is truly mind blowing.
 

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I never gave a premise on humanities origin because its "unknown."

Something put us here.

The proper term is "unknown creator"



:why:Yes you did. You're saying there's a unknown creator that's responsible for our existence. All your doing is using vague and ambigous terms SO when someone responds to you can either deflect using semantics, or deflect using logic fallacies.

:martin:The word creator is a noun.
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The classic God of the gaps argument. Might as well said aliens created the universe and evolution. You could literally replace "God" with "Alien" or "Wizard".

You could and that's where "intelligent design theory" comes from. Is a creator not "God" It doesn't state that God doesn't have extraterrestrial origins or is a "computer programmer"
 

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So what makes your conclusion any different from anyone elses??

how is your conclusion so correct while everyone else is "masking their conclusions as premises" as u say??


To me it sounds like u are really saying.."Hey everyone, I'm the one that has it right and everyone else is off" which is pretty much what everyone says when it comes to these science/religion debates.

To say "The Bible,or the Qur'an is the word of God" is the strict adherence to a set of ideas, and is, by definition, at odds with objectivity.

If God exists, he is certainly powerful enough to withstand serious investigation. To do justice to this most important of all topics would take thousands of pages and a lifetime of research. I have no secular explanation for this power source. I believe that God is the intelligent designer, he is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient...
 

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common sense tells you that everything comes from something

god can't be a creator without having been created himself, if you think otherwise then you're not arguing anything you're just being ignorant on purpose
I was created by SuperGod.

He was created by Really Really Big God.

It goes on.
 

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yes you did. You're saying there's a unknown creator that's responsible for our existence. All your doing is using vague and ambigous terms SO when someone responds to you can either deflect using semantics, or deflect using logic fallacies.

:martin:The word creator is a noun.


LOL


This is the 4th time u quoted me wrong.

Me saying that whatever put us here is unknown isn't a premise. Thats impossible because I already stated that whatever put us here is "unknown!" How could I give a premise for something unknown silly?


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Also...
....That "face anology" was spot on yet you shytted on it. You know how I know? Because I just reveresed your question. If the anology was horrible its because the question was horrible and all I did was reverse your question back on you. :heh: That proves you are just arguing for argument sake.






I will no longer respond to you because 4 misquotes means you are trolling.


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Science can explain how gravity works, but it cannot explain why it works the way it does. We know that gravity makes the planets, stars, galaxies, and other cosmic bodies act on each other in certain predictable ways, but this does nothing to explain how the principle of gravity came into being. Similarly, scientists know how molecular formation works(e.g., under the right conditions, two atoms of hydrogen will always combine with one atom of oxygen to form a molecule of water), but they don't know why it works the way it does. They know how the wind works, but they don't know why it works the way it does. And so on.

The chasm between theologians and scientists seems to be narrowing toward a middle-ground belief that science is not in conflict with God, but rather is a gift of God. Consider, for example, evolution. Let us assume, for purposes of discussion; that evolution is not just a theory, but a fact. Does this invalidate God? No, on the contrary, quite the opposite. It provides strong mathematical support for the idea that there is a Supreme Power at the controls of the universe.

Atheists believe in a random universe wherein a seeming miracle such as evolution could take place on its own is that, given enough time, anything including the evolution of human beings from inanimate matter is possible. They believe that if you could sit enough billions of monkeys in front of computers for enough billions of hours, random chance would allow them to write all the great works of literature.

If you believe this to be true, you don't understand mathematics. There are approximately fifty possible letters, numbers, and punctuation marks on a computer keyboard, and there are sixty-five character spaces per line in the average book. A chimp would, therefore, have one in fifty chances of getting the first space on the first line correct. Since the same applies to the second space on that line, the chimp would have one chance in 50 x 50, or 50^2 of getting both spaces right(meaning just the first two letters of the first word of just one of the great works of literature). For all sixty-five spaces on the first line, the figure would jump to 50^65, which is equal to 10^110.

How big is 10^110? According to Physicist George Gamow, it is a thousand times greater than the total number of vibrations made by all the atoms in the universe since the big bang.

Conclusion: It doesn't matter how many Chimpanzees or how much time you allow, not even one line of great work could come into existence by pure chance.

Given that humans are infinitely more complicated than one line of a book, what are the odds that a human, with all its billions of precise, specialized cells, accidentally evolved from rocks and dirt over a period of a few billion years? Evolution in a random universe without a God would appear to be a mathematical impossibility. As with wind and gravity, it would seem that the only way that a phenomenon such as evolution could have come into existence is through the work a Supreme Being that is beyond secular comprehension.


Atheists believe that this so-called big bang some how happen without the aid of an omnipotent being. And if there was and is no omnipotent being in the universe, everything that has been, is, or will be said and done throughout history was precisely determined approximately 14 billion years ago by the nature of the big bang. At the first instant of that colossal explosion, every atom was sent flying on an internal voyage that was predetermined by the intricacies of the explosion itself. If there is no omnipotent power to intervene, then nothing can be changed by anybody or anything. Every detail of every event has already been set on an unalterable course. There is no one in control, and there is no purpose to life.



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To say "The Bible,or the Qur'an is the word of God" is the strict adherence to a set of ideas, and is, by definition, at odds with objectivity.

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Yet A Muslim would say he is on the righteous path and those who arent on the same path are lost.

You are basically saying the same thing.

"My way is the right way and everyone who doesnt agree is wrong."
 

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It was a response to his previous post. I have more than enough reasons to know God doesn't exist like Slavery, Pediatric cancer wards, Zimmerman, Darren wilson, etc.

But i'm sure there's some quote that makes no sense you can drop to explain those things.

An atheist or religionist would tend to believe that injustice is predetermined. A religionist would believe that it is part of God’s plan, while an atheist would believe that an injustice represents nothing more than a random event, something that was, in effect, predetermined by the big bang.

Christians when faced with evil or the death of their loved ones via murder, diseased, etc.. say that God is all-loving but not omnipotent. They take the position that God is a good guy, but impotent, BUT God is either all-knowing and all-powerful, or He is not God.

atheists argue that If God does not know there is evil, he is not omniscient. If God knows there is evil but cannot prevent it, he is not omnipotent. If God knows there is evil and can prevent it but desires not to, he is not omni-aything. If … God is all-knowing and all-powerful, we must conclude that God is not all-good. The existence of evil in the universe excludes this possibility.

I say that God knows there is evil in the world, but does not choose to stop it for reasons that are beyond our understanding. In other words, God alone knows why He does what He does. If God exists, He is unknowable and undefinable by human standards. That, after all, is precisely what makes him God.

Consider the possibility that man is to God as a dog is to man, and a dog is to man as a tick is to a dog; i.e., the man, the dog, and the tick, who are merely tagging along for the ride, have neither the faintest idea as to why their masters do what they do nor the means to ever understand why.

it is arrogance to suggest that we should be able to understand evil and suffering, let alone make judgments about the actions of a Supreme Being. If there is a God, surely He operates in a completely different dimension than we do, thus He alone knows His purpose.

The atheist definition of God & Evil is valid only in a secular dimension. A Supreme Being would, by definition, transcend secular knowledge, just as man transcends a dog’s capacity to understand human reasoning.

In any event, it would be inconsistent to believe in God, yet question perceived evil and injustice. Only God can know the reasons for the existence of evil and injustice. Of course, if one is an atheist, he has no choice but to accept random evil and injustice as natural aspects of life.

Whatever our assumptions may be, the bottom line is that life can, indeed, be unjust, as the deaths of millions of slaves, the deaths of children, etc..
 

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I think the word God turns people off it automatically elicits religious connotations. Even so, I still fail to see how people can look up in the sky see the sun, see stars, see the moon and willingly go against the premise of a creator. Obviously you can go much deeper than that, and I'm not saying that should be enough for everyone, but the shyt is truly mind blowing.

1. Why must there be a "creator"?

2. If there is one then what created the creator?

3. If nothing created the creator and it's the first creator then how can you be against the premise that we came from nothing or that we simply are, if you can accept that nothing created the "creator" and that it simply... is? :pachaha:
 
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