God created the Universe and Evolution

[Drake is God]

Yet A Muslim would say he is on the righteous path and those who arent on the same path are lost.

You are basically saying the same thing.

"My way is the right way and everyone who doesnt agree is wrong."

And that Muslim would be wrong as there is no righteous path. I never said if you don't share the same beliefs as you me you will go to hell.

 

[Ron Fox]

And that Muslim would be wrong as there is no righteous path. I never said if you don't share the same beliefs as you me you will go to hell.

The muslim says u are wrong...u say the muslim is wrong...and the circle continues. Dont get dizzy while on the ride tho.

 

[Silkk]

An atheist or religionist would tend to believe that injustice is predetermined. A religionist would believe that it is part of God’s plan, while an atheist would believe that an injustice represents nothing more than a random event, something that was, in effect, predetermined by the big bang.

Christians when faced with evil or the death of their loved ones via murder, diseased, etc.. say that God is all-loving but not omnipotent. They take the position that God is a good guy, but impotent, BUT God is either all-knowing and all-powerful, or He is not God.

atheists argue that If God does not know there is evil, he is not omniscient. If God knows there is evil but cannot prevent it, he is not omnipotent. If God knows there is evil and can prevent it but desires not to, he is not omni-aything. If … God is all-knowing and all-powerful, we must conclude that God is not all-good. The existence of evil in the universe excludes this possibility.

I say that God knows there is evil in the world, but does not choose to stop it for reasons that are beyond our understanding. In other words, God alone knows why He does what He does. If God exists, He is unknowable and undefinable by human standards. That, after all, is precisely what makes him God.

Consider the possibility that man is to God as a dog is to man, and a dog is to man as a tick is to a dog; i.e., the man, the dog, and the tick, who are merely tagging along for the ride, have neither the faintest idea as to why their masters do what they do nor the means to ever understand why.

it is arrogance to suggest that we should be able to understand evil and suffering, let alone make judgments about the actions of a Supreme Being. If there is a God, surely He operates in a completely different dimension than we do, thus He alone knows His purpose.

The atheist definition of God & Evil is valid only in a secular dimension. A Supreme Being would, by definition, transcend secular knowledge, just as man transcends a dog’s capacity to understand human reasoning.

In any event, it would be inconsistent to believe in God, yet question perceived evil and injustice. Only God can know the reasons for the existence of evil and injustice. Of course, if one is an atheist, he has no choice but to accept random evil and injustice as natural aspects of life.

Whatever our assumptions may be, the bottom line is that life can, indeed, be unjust, as the deaths of millions of slaves, the deaths of children, etc..

Sounds like a bunch of bullshyt tbh. Everything doesn't need to be defined.

 

[Drake is God]

1. Why must there be a "creator"?

2. If there is one then what created the creator?

3. If nothing created the creator and it's the first creator then how can you be against the premise that we came from nothing or that we simply are, if you can accept that nothing created the "creator" and that it simply... is?

There is an infinite source of power in the universe that no one fully understands. The consciousness that focuses in your brain cells is the same consciousness which focuses in the brain cells of every other individual. Each individual is but the individualization of the universal, the cosmic mind. The Universal mind, Creator, or Consciousness is the life principle of every atom which is in existence every atom is continually striving to manifest more life; all are intelligent, and all are seeking to carry out the purpose for which they were created. I use the term Universal Consciousness, I can understand why an atheist might have a problem with the word “conscious.” Which is fine.

 

[Drake is God]

The muslim says u are wrong...u say the muslim is wrong...and the circle continues. Dont get dizzy while on the ride tho.

By wrong I mean saying The Qu'ran is the word of God, and being muslim is the only righteous path is about as closed-mindedness as one can get. I don't believe in fundamentalism.

I believe that if you’re interested in continually working to better your existence, you should avoid the mistake of disregarding everything a person writes or says just because you disagree with him on one or more issues. I long ago recognized that I can learn something from everyone with whom I come in contact, no matter on how many issues I disagree with him.

The vast majority of civilized people — whether they be Muslims,Christians, nonreligious believers in a Creator, or atheists — believe in the basic Judeo-Christian tenets.

Do you know any civilized person who doesn’t believe that honoring one’s father and mother is the right thing to do? Or that it’s wrong to lie? Or steal? Or engage in adultery? Or commit murder?

While these rules are included in the Ten Commandments that billions of people believe came directly from God, I’ve never known an atheist who didn’t believe in them as well. Meaning that, at the end of the day, all civilized people are pretty much on the same page morally.

 

[Ron Fox]

I believe that..

Dude....I hear u...But its not me u have to convince.

Like I said...U believe one thing...Christians believe something else and muslims believe something else....3 different beliefs yet all of them say they are right and the other is wrong.

And I just look at all of ya'll going back and forth acknowledging how humans and religious debates have been going hand and hand since the days of Mespatomia and when people thought the world was flat.

 

[Drake is God]

Dude....I hear u...But its not me u have to convince.

Like I said...U believe one thing...Christians believe something else and muslims believe something else....3 different beliefs yet all of them say they are right and the other is wrong.

And I just look at all of ya'll going back and forth acknowledging how humans and religious debates have been going hand and hand since the days of Mespatomia and when people thought the world was flat.

My point is religion aside, it would seem that at the least everyone could agree on is a single, self-evident point: that a Universal Intelligence exists. I guess if someone chooses not to believe that there is a Universal Intelligence (“God,” “Conscious Universal Power Source,” “the Universe,” “Supreme Being,” etc.), there’s nothing wrong with that — provided he doesn’t try to interfere with the rights of others to connect in their own way.

 

[Black Nate Grey]

I think the word God turns people off it automatically elicits religious connotations. Even so, I still fail to see how people can look up in the sky see the sun, see stars, see the moon and willingly go against the premise of a creator. Obviously you can go much deeper than that, and I'm not saying that should be enough for everyone, but the shyt is truly mind blowing.

Exactly. We are not talking about a religious god who is the definition of perfection and creator of morality.

There is a pattern in the universe, The way cells, neural pathways etc are arranged can be directly seen with the way some Stars, galaxies and other celestial objects are arranged . I find it hard to believe nothing existed and then boom "existence".

The universe is not chaotic, there is structure, there is order, there are processes that can be observed like stars dying the same way.

The singular undeniable truth in this reality is cause and effect, change.

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

Exactly. We are not talking about a religious god who is the definition of perfection and creator of morality.

There is a pattern in the universe, The way cells, neural pathways etc are arranged can be directly seen with the way some Stars, galaxies and other celestial objects are arranged . I find it hard to believe nothing existed and then boom "existence".

The universe is not chaotic, there is structure, there is order, there are processes that can be observed like stars dying the same way.

The singular undeniable truth in this reality is cause and effect, change.

I think people who feel that God isn't necessarily benevolent find it easier in their mind to doubt his existence.

That's why they shout that, Oh "It's kids starving in Haiti" or "Why did my dog get hit by a meteorite" shyt to try to dismiss a supreme being.

 

[Won Won]

I think people who feel that God isn't necessarily benevolent find it easier in their mind to doubt his existence.

That's why they shout that, Oh "It's kids starving in Haiti" or "Why did my dog get hit by a meteorite" shyt to try to dismiss a supreme being.

You just need to read the Bible for examples of God not being benevolent

My favorite has always been when he unleashed lions to kill non-believers; he sure showed them!

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

You just need to read the Bible for examples of God not being benevolent

My favorite has always been when he unleashed lions to kill non-believers; he sure showed them!

"Oh you don't believe in me, I got something for your ass" lol I'm not a Christian so it's funny to me but God in the bible, is ruthless as fukk.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

OK...so thats what "orthodox Christian" means. A Christian who believes that Allah is God and Jesus was a prophet. Sounds more like "a muslim" but if u say so.


U learn something new everyday

Allah is the same thing add god, they are the same entity ALL chridtians, Jews and Muslim pray to the same god. Eithiopan orthodox christianity says that jesus is the messiah. I believe that to be true. My faith also says that jesus walked on water, I don't belive that

 

[yardman]

you really think cacs are that fukkin powerful??

Imagine if we unified?

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

Imagine if we unified?

"We got to be gods children, habitats in tall buildings"

 

[Konnan]

but then why did gods design have limits

like why dont we live longer? why are we susceptible to diseases and shyt? how can an omnipotent being have shortcomings when it comes to assembly?

Because all things must die in order for the cycle of life to keep going

Otherwise we would reproduce and reproduce and eventually consume up everything thats needed to survive

What you think are limits is really all apart of what keeps the wheels turning