Godfather interview: How he saved the Rock's Career, almost joining the nWo

[soulytrack]

The funny thing is this...if Vince wants you pushed to the top(Brock Lesnar, Cena), you're going to the top. There's no "putting him with this type of group" to succeed. Nah...that's not how that old Republican motherfukker operates And the Nation was NOT that hot of a group before the Rock got there for them to be the IDEAL vehicle for him to succeed in Vince's system.

I don't agree with that. Both Lesnar and Cena were paired or worked with veterans REGULARLY in order to help them grow as talent. Lesnar benefited tremendously from being paired with Heyman and both Cena & Lesnar worked a LOT with the likes of Angle, who had become one of the best workers in an incredibly short amount of time.

There's certain veterans who's roles in the back are to teach, observe and guide.

We can't just base ourselves on what we see on TV or read in the dirt sheets. We need to remember that there's an industry that thrives on it's employees, and they all have some extra work to do backstage.

 

[R=G]

Lesnar was? Lesnar had Heyman as a mouthpiece but was having green squash matches for like 3 months. He started slapping the Hardyz around with stiff chair shots and looking dominant. Had a couple of matches with spot machine RVD like 4 months in and was thrown in the big time with the Rock and that was the first time throughout his run where he wrestled like he had some skill for once instead of looking predictable and unstoppable.

Lesnar didn't do the Angle stuff until several months later. Cena was on easy street...he got put over by Jericho immediately. Taker shook his hand out of the blue after the Angle match and that all didn't work. Toronto turned on him big time in Sept 2002 and he left television for the Vanilla Ice makeover on the Halloween edition of Smackdown.

 

[soulytrack]

Lesnar was? Lesnar had Heyman as a mouthpiece but was having green squash matches for like 3 months. He started slapping the Hardyz around with stiff chair shots and looking dominant. Had a couple of matches with spot machine RVD like 4 months in and was thrown in the big time with the Rock and that was the first time throughout his run where he wrestled like he had some skill for once instead of looking predictable and unstoppable.

Lesnar didn't do the Angle stuff until several months later. Cena was on easy street...he got put over by Jericho immediately. Taker shook his hand out of the blue after the Angle match and that all didn't work. Toronto turned on him big time in Sept 2002 and he left television for the Vanilla Ice makeover on the Halloween edition of Smackdown.

That's all good and well.

But you seem to have disregarded everything I said. You're basing yourself on TV matches when I stated clearly that it's deeper than what we see.

Anyone that's worked at any company worth a damn knows that there's training, teams are created and guidance is provided by the veterans. Regardless of what your position is. Now, if the boss looks at you like an investment for the future of the business, then you'll be protected and assigned to work with the right people.

Lesnar had Heyman as a mouth piece ON CAMERA. What do you think happened over the course of the next few years? Like Heyman didn't pass along the knowledge he'd gained through the years? Wasn't Heyman always heralded as a man who hid people's weaknesses and highlight their strengths in order to make them stars, like no one else did?

Hell, Lesnar STILL works with Heyman, so to think that all he was to Lesnar was an in-ring mouthpiece is short sighted as a motherfukker.

 

[R=G]

Oh yeah..the backstage thing? Well who can prove or credit that. That's all guess work and things only available in shoot interviews, I suppose. Never hear Lesnar give anyone credit for anything in the E except for Heyman and Rocky. They used to call Holly a "locker room leader" back then but that shyt didn't fly with Lesnar in the end

 

[Tommy Fits]

The funny thing is this...if Vince wants you pushed to the top(Brock Lesnar, Cena), you're going to the top. There's no "putting him with this type of group" to succeed. Nah...that's not how that old Republican motherfukker operates And the Nation was NOT that hot of a group before the Rock got there for them to be the IDEAL vehicle for him to succeed in Vince's system.

He wasn't saying the Nation was the ideal vehicle for him to succeed though, he was paired with the nation to be with a couple vets to teach him the ropes backstage how to handle himself backstage among all the negative and small things while actually out there in the ring. Where the fukk do you get this make believe shyt you pathetic virgin. Again this isn't even a thread bashing the Rock but some how your delusional virgin fukk turned this thread into somehow us bashing the Rock and the Godfather taking credit for the Rock's college football career, wrestling career, movie career, and helping the rock conceive his daughter.

 

[Lewis Black]

The idea that THE MAIN reason The Rock was put in The Nation was that he needed veteran guidance is just silly.

Was it a nice side benefit? Sure. Was it an accident? Probably not.

But he was put in The Nation, first and foremost, because it was the best vehicle for a Rock heel turn and a strong push at the time. That's all I'm saying.

If Godfather thinks that veteran guidance was THE MAIN reason, he is incorrect.

Not lying, mind you. Just incorrect.

My dude...ima rock fan but why would the godfather lie for lol he never said anything bad anyway.

 

[Rain]

I'm confused brehs. Is what Godfather said about the Rock supposed to be a bad thing? I thought that would be fairly common back then? Especially the way the backstage was in that era

 

[The Great One]

I'm confused brehs. Is what Godfather said about the Rock supposed to be a bad thing? I thought that would be fairly common back then? Especially the way the backstage was in that era

I don't think so, everyone has help getting to where they need to be in the business, but some people are :tistacry: at the thought of the Rock needing any help to do anything.

 

[Hoss]

My dude...ima rock fan but why would the godfather lie for lol he never said anything bad anyway.

Yeah, I agree with you. He didn't say anything bad, and he didn't lie.

To quote myself from my own post:

If Godfather thinks that veteran guidance was THE MAIN reason, he is incorrect.

Not lying, mind you. Just incorrect.

So yeah, as I said, Godfather is not lying.

I'm not even questioning whether or not he influenced Rock. Maybe he did, and if so, that's great.

I got nothing against Godfather. My only point is that the MAIN reason Rock was put in The Nation was to push him as a heel, because he was failing as a babyface. Having a veteran presence there was a bonus, but it was not the reason for the move.

It was an existing heel stable within which Rock would fit perfectly and have a chance to develop and become a star. It was the best option at the time. He was a fit.

If Godfather had a heel stable of pimps and hoes at the time, would Rock have been added to that? Of course not.

If Simmons had been in APA at the time, would Rock have been added to that? No.

Bit of a thing going on here, but I guess I had to clarify.

 

[Pool_Shark]

When I clicked on this thread I didn't see it going this way. I read the interview an thought "Ok now people will reminisce on The Godfather, maybe post some old youtube vids"



Instead it's Godfathers a delusional old fukk that thinks he invented The Rocks career.

 

[Cole Cash]

You know one thing the godfather told me when i seen him at a strip club in vegas (that nikka swole as fukk) is that while he enjoys answering questions about the business he hates "nikkas who think they know it all as opposed to someone like me who was there in the locker room"

the way some of you are coming across, a guy like godfather hardly ever opens his mouth, hardly seeks any attention at all, is not trying to make a comeback etc, why would he try to position himself as some kind of savior?

the rock isnt fukkin perfect, he had help along the way, and if some of you dont believe him, feel free to walk up on him and ask him and hell tell you. i never understood really what homeboy was trying to say when he said "people who think they are smarter than the business having never been in it" but i can see where hes coming from, you cant have an interview and tell your side of things without nikkas accusing you of being dellusional, dude is far from it and didint even talk himself up when i met him, i think he probably liked the fact that me and my other homie were just regular nikkas and not smark ass cacs trying to over analyse.

regardless, godfather was there and nothing has ever said otherwise about him being wrong, i dont get this scorned female slander where if the rock is slightly helped out somehow hes wrong.

maybe because i met him and he was a real nikka i feel compelled to come to his defense.

 

[Freestyle Phantom3.0]

brehs when he melted down the undertakers urn to make the gold rope chain was on some legendary shyt

 

[The Great One]

You know one thing the godfather told me when i seen him at a strip club in vegas (that nikka swole as fukk) is that while he enjoys answering questions about the business he hates "nikkas who think they know it all as opposed to someone like me who was there in the locker room"

the way some of you are coming across, a guy like godfather hardly ever opens his mouth, hardly seeks any attention at all, is not trying to make a comeback etc, why would he try to position himself as some kind of savior?

the rock isnt fukkin perfect, he had help along the way, and if some of you dont believe him, feel free to walk up on him and ask him and hell tell you. i never understood really what homeboy was trying to say when he said "people who think they are smarter than the business having never been in it" but i can see where hes coming from, you cant have an interview and tell your side of things without nikkas accusing you of being dellusional, dude is far from it and didint even talk himself up when i met him, i think he probably liked the fact that me and my other homie were just regular nikkas and not smark ass cacs trying to over analyse.

regardless, godfather was there and nothing has ever said otherwise about him being wrong, i dont get this scorned female slander where if the rock is slightly helped out somehow hes wrong.

maybe because i met him and he was a real nikka i feel compelled to come to his defense.

Preach

 

[DANJ!]

Good gotdamn...

I swear, this weak-ass wave-havin' nikka R=G is like an overprotective grandmother when it comes to the Rock. If Rock is successful at something, it's all praises due to Rock and nobody else. If Rock is involved in somethin that fails, it's everybody else's fault but Rock's. Everybody owes Rock something, Rock owes no one anything. If someone in the biz even slightly says something contrary to his image of the Rock, he despises them... I REALLY wanna believe this is just his online character and there ain't a nikka THIS weak in real life, but I dunno man... his dedication to protecting the Rock's name (even from people who didn't even say shyt bad about him i.e. Godfather) is disturbing.

Bottom line, GF said Rock was havin' a bit of a tough time in '97... everyone agrees with that, including Rock himself. GF says Rock was put with them as a help to him on-camera and off-camera, because he was seen as a potential future big name... this is true. I fail to see what about his statement is implying that he's taking credit for Rock's success. shyt, even Hulk Hogan and Austin will admit they had people who looked out for them... and Rock admits the same... why Rock's fanboys can't see it that way is beyond me.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Good gotdamn...

I swear, this weak-ass wave-havin' nikka R=G is like an overprotective grandmother when it comes to the Rock. If Rock is successful at something, it's all praises due to Rock and nobody else. If Rock is involved in somethin that fails, it's everybody else's fault but Rock's. Everybody owes Rock something, Rock owes no one anything. If someone in the biz even slightly says something contrary to his image of the Rock, he despises them... I REALLY wanna believe this is just his online character and there ain't a nikka THIS weak in real life, but I dunno man... his dedication to protecting the Rock's name (even from people who didn't even say shyt bad about him i.e. Godfather) is disturbing.

Bottom line, GF said Rock was havin' a bit of a tough time in '97... everyone agrees with that, including Rock himself. GF says Rock was put with them as a help to him on-camera and off-camera, because he was seen as a potential future big name... this is true. I fail to see what about his statement is implying that he's taking credit for Rock's success. shyt, even Hulk Hogan and Austin will admit they had people who looked out for them... and Rock admits the same... why Rock's fanboys can't see it that way is beyond me.

R=G=rock=god

All praise be due to Rock, his God.