Dameon Farrow
Superstar
It's war. Back your soldiers. The right sees this. They ended up with a majority on the hill and a president(even if he did have to cheat and is hot garbage). Come on, folks. Pull together! Look at the bigger picture!
GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN: Senate agrees to 3wk CR; CHIP funded for 6yrs; Feb8 showdown over DACA
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this.
the saying goes
dem voters need to fall in love
repub voters fall in line
i suppose theres still idiots who didnt learn their lesson in 2016 and insist on making good the enemy of perfect.
Securing America’ Future huh?
What are they securing?
does that mean we can send all of Melon's people back to their shythole?
i cant imagine what any of them are contributing to the country
schumer :jaymelo: putting citizens and the government before people who are here illegally. thats what im talkin about
This whole shyt is going to rain down on the GOP and the fukkface in office, like a monsoon. All this division amongst the Dems is because we want to see them go more left, and they are being moderate because they are afraid of optics for voters that we don’t fukking need. This does not stop the tsunami, can’t fukking wait until november, and the kind of burnt bridge ads the repubs are going to run. It’s a fukking wrap for the red majority in the house and the senate, and the whole Schumershugdown garbage is a zero sum game for the R’s and Trump. These guys will have to show thier ass when they send the dreamers home in mass, for no other reason than Trump can’t make a decision with a gun to his wife’s head. His ratings and polling are going to get worse, if you can believe it, he hasn’t bottomed yet, it’s crazy
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Take the Win, Democrats
The left has gotten so used to being sold out and betrayed that it can’t tell when it’s winning.
By YASCHA MOUNK
JAN 23, 201810:47 AM
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer leaves a meeting with Senate Democrats on Capitol Hill on Monday.
Drew Angerer/Getty Images
Democrats are feckless. When it counts, they always fold. After all, they’re more beholden to donors and lobbyists than they are to their base.
This narrative is so old, so straightforward, and so pleasingly infuriating that it just rolls off the tongue. So when Democrats in Congress struck a compromise with Republicans to reopen the government late on Monday, the despairing headlines immediately took over every left-of-center publication in the country. “Schumer Sells Out the Resistance,” Michelle Goldberg concluded over at the New York Times. “The Democrats Are Losers,” my colleague Osita Nwanevu announced here at Slate. Twitter was no less forgiving: By the end of the evening, #SchumerSellout was trending across the country.
When I sat down to write this article, I assumed that the great minds of Twitter were right. You see, even though my job is to follow public policy pretty closely, there are times when I lose track of what is going on. Monday was such an occasion: It was the first day of the semester, and I spent the whole day printing syllabi, meeting with students, and teaching my introductory sessions. So when I finally got a chance to go online, and read the news, I assumed that all the despairing headlines must be right. My heart sank pondering what concessions Chuck Schumer must have made to draw such righteous anger.
Then I started reading up on the actual details of the deal.
In case you’ve forgotten—I certainly wish I had—Republicans currently hold unified control over the federal government. They were seemingly more than happy to let health insurance for 9 million American children expire indefinitely. And lest we forget, conservatives are much more hostile to central functions of the government—from collecting taxes to ensuring compliance with environmental standards—than liberals. A few weeks ago, it very much looked as though they held all the cards in their hands.
Buoyed by grassroots support, the Democratic leaders in Congress turned the tables. They made it clear that they had two big preconditions for any long-term deal to fund the government. First, children’s health insurance would have to be extended for a substantial period of time. Second, Republicans would have to strike a deal to protect the 900,000 Dreamers who will be at risk of deportation unless Congress offers them a more certain future by the beginning of March.
Listen to the Good Fight podcast:
Monday’s deal is a full victory on the first count. The CHIP program has been extended for six years. Nine million children—a very large share of whom, by the way, are brown or black—will keep access to health care. The moral importance of this accomplishment should be evident to everybody.
The deal is, admittedly, only a partial victory on the second count. Mitch McConnell made a public and detailed promise on the floor of the United States Senate that he would undertake to broker a bipartisan agreement on Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals. If our politics were minimally sane, we should be able to trust such an unequivocal statement by the Senate majority leader. But since congressional Republicans have, again and again, shown just how little store they set by conventional markers of morality (like, say, the Ninth Commandment), it is perfectly sensible to mistrust McConnell.
The thing that counts is not whether Democrats preserve their purity. It is, rather, whether they accomplish their important goals.
But that just doesn’t mean that we have seen “the Senate Democratic leadership sell the Dreamers out,” as Goldberg argues in the Times. After all, Democrats have only voted to extend funding for the government for another three weeks. Once that time is up, the fate of the Dreamers will not rest in McConnell’s hands any more now than it did a few days ago. For if the Senate majority leader goes back on his word, Democrats will enjoy exactly the same leverage they held until Monday: By withholding their votes, they will be able to shut the government down. And since McConnell’s betrayal will be so blatant, they will find it much easier to put blame for any resulting shutdown squarely on Republican shoulders.
It is tempting to think that passionate partisans are obsessed with winning at any price. But often, the truth is a little more complicated: Though they think of themselves as wanting to win, they actually crave the righteous anger that comes with losing. Convinced that they have been betrayed too many times to count, they start to take as much pleasure in finding an excuse to hate on their traitorous leaders as they do in actually accomplishing their stated goals.
This tendency has long been a dominant feature of the conservative movement. From grassroots anger at congressional “RINOs” in the 1990s to today’s fears among the hosts at Fox News and the headline writers at Breitbart that the party establishment is about to sell Trump voters out, accusations of betrayal have become a constant theme of political discourse on the right. From the point of view of achieving conservative policy goals, the results have been decidedly mixed: On the one hand, Republicans have become ever less willing to strike compromises with Democrats for fear of drawing the anger of their base. But on the other hand, they have resorted to empty grandstanding that has deeply damaged the country without actually doing much to turn their agenda into reality.
The left should be very careful not to fall in the same trap. The thing that counts is not whether Democrats preserve their purity by refusing to strike a deal with the Republicans, nor even whether they look like they’re winning. It is, rather, whether they accomplish their important goals.
By any reasonable measure, Monday’s deal was, on that count, a real step in the right direction.
Nine million kids will be able to keep their health insurance. And while it is a crying shame that 900,000 Dreamers still have to live in fear of what the future might hold, Schumer and his much-maligned troops have protected their power to fight for their fate a few short weeks from now.
The conventional wisdom on the left has quickly become that this doesn’t matter because congressional Democrats will never have the guts to stand up for the dreamers. Based on their performance over the past year—and especially over the past days—I’m willing to take a bet that they will.
The Left Is So Used to Being Sold Out That It Can’t Tell When It’s Winning
The left has gotten so used to being sold out and betrayed that it can’t tell when it’s winning.
By YASCHA MOUNK
JAN 23, 201810:47 AM
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer leaves a meeting with Senate Democrats on Capitol Hill on Monday.
Drew Angerer/Getty Images
Democrats are feckless. When it counts, they always fold. After all, they’re more beholden to donors and lobbyists than they are to their base.
This narrative is so old, so straightforward, and so pleasingly infuriating that it just rolls off the tongue. So when Democrats in Congress struck a compromise with Republicans to reopen the government late on Monday, the despairing headlines immediately took over every left-of-center publication in the country. “Schumer Sells Out the Resistance,” Michelle Goldberg concluded over at the New York Times. “The Democrats Are Losers,” my colleague Osita Nwanevu announced here at Slate. Twitter was no less forgiving: By the end of the evening, #SchumerSellout was trending across the country.
When I sat down to write this article, I assumed that the great minds of Twitter were right. You see, even though my job is to follow public policy pretty closely, there are times when I lose track of what is going on. Monday was such an occasion: It was the first day of the semester, and I spent the whole day printing syllabi, meeting with students, and teaching my introductory sessions. So when I finally got a chance to go online, and read the news, I assumed that all the despairing headlines must be right. My heart sank pondering what concessions Chuck Schumer must have made to draw such righteous anger.
Then I started reading up on the actual details of the deal.
In case you’ve forgotten—I certainly wish I had—Republicans currently hold unified control over the federal government. They were seemingly more than happy to let health insurance for 9 million American children expire indefinitely. And lest we forget, conservatives are much more hostile to central functions of the government—from collecting taxes to ensuring compliance with environmental standards—than liberals. A few weeks ago, it very much looked as though they held all the cards in their hands.
Buoyed by grassroots support, the Democratic leaders in Congress turned the tables. They made it clear that they had two big preconditions for any long-term deal to fund the government. First, children’s health insurance would have to be extended for a substantial period of time. Second, Republicans would have to strike a deal to protect the 900,000 Dreamers who will be at risk of deportation unless Congress offers them a more certain future by the beginning of March.
Listen to the Good Fight podcast:
Monday’s deal is a full victory on the first count. The CHIP program has been extended for six years. Nine million children—a very large share of whom, by the way, are brown or black—will keep access to health care. The moral importance of this accomplishment should be evident to everybody.
The deal is, admittedly, only a partial victory on the second count. Mitch McConnell made a public and detailed promise on the floor of the United States Senate that he would undertake to broker a bipartisan agreement on Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals. If our politics were minimally sane, we should be able to trust such an unequivocal statement by the Senate majority leader. But since congressional Republicans have, again and again, shown just how little store they set by conventional markers of morality (like, say, the Ninth Commandment), it is perfectly sensible to mistrust McConnell.
The thing that counts is not whether Democrats preserve their purity. It is, rather, whether they accomplish their important goals.
But that just doesn’t mean that we have seen “the Senate Democratic leadership sell the Dreamers out,” as Goldberg argues in the Times. After all, Democrats have only voted to extend funding for the government for another three weeks. Once that time is up, the fate of the Dreamers will not rest in McConnell’s hands any more now than it did a few days ago. For if the Senate majority leader goes back on his word, Democrats will enjoy exactly the same leverage they held until Monday: By withholding their votes, they will be able to shut the government down. And since McConnell’s betrayal will be so blatant, they will find it much easier to put blame for any resulting shutdown squarely on Republican shoulders.
It is tempting to think that passionate partisans are obsessed with winning at any price. But often, the truth is a little more complicated: Though they think of themselves as wanting to win, they actually crave the righteous anger that comes with losing. Convinced that they have been betrayed too many times to count, they start to take as much pleasure in finding an excuse to hate on their traitorous leaders as they do in actually accomplishing their stated goals.
This tendency has long been a dominant feature of the conservative movement. From grassroots anger at congressional “RINOs” in the 1990s to today’s fears among the hosts at Fox News and the headline writers at Breitbart that the party establishment is about to sell Trump voters out, accusations of betrayal have become a constant theme of political discourse on the right. From the point of view of achieving conservative policy goals, the results have been decidedly mixed: On the one hand, Republicans have become ever less willing to strike compromises with Democrats for fear of drawing the anger of their base. But on the other hand, they have resorted to empty grandstanding that has deeply damaged the country without actually doing much to turn their agenda into reality.
The left should be very careful not to fall in the same trap. The thing that counts is not whether Democrats preserve their purity by refusing to strike a deal with the Republicans, nor even whether they look like they’re winning. It is, rather, whether they accomplish their important goals.
By any reasonable measure, Monday’s deal was, on that count, a real step in the right direction.
Nine million kids will be able to keep their health insurance. And while it is a crying shame that 900,000 Dreamers still have to live in fear of what the future might hold, Schumer and his much-maligned troops have protected their power to fight for their fate a few short weeks from now.
The conventional wisdom on the left has quickly become that this doesn’t matter because congressional Democrats will never have the guts to stand up for the dreamers. Based on their performance over the past year—and especially over the past days—I’m willing to take a bet that they will.
The Left Is So Used to Being Sold Out That It Can’t Tell When It’s Winning
the next guy
Superstar
if any of you have been to politico or huffpo today, the deal isn't be recived so well.
Who cares honestly, I mean, these publications run non stop negative stories on Trump/Repubs, certainly justified, because there are so many bad stories out there. Now, there is one thing that has less than stellar optics, but reality wise, long game plus, and everybody on the right wants to point and say “look, a bad story about Dems” and now these “fake news” publications are beacons of reporting? SAD
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
not worried about trolls
Just watching CNN, saw a sign at one the rallies, “The silent majority stands with TRUMP”. Thinking more on it, are people really proud to be part of the “silent majority”? All that makes you is a fukking coward that isn’t adult enough to speak for yourself. Reminds me of that scene from School Ties *priest*“The meek will inherit the earth..” *Brendan Frazier* “How meek will they be when they do?” It’s like, great, you hid your hands until it was safe, and now you are rah rah. GTFO pussies.