What era did these naysayers play in?
Hakeem Olajuwan Gives LeBron That ETHER.
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fifth column
Superstar
I agree, 2017 Warriors is the goat finals team.
Teko
All Star
Its harder to run it back with multiple teams and franchises. You have to start from scratch every single time. MJ had the same coach and the same running mate but the team was radically different.
Greatness is more than raw ability and a tally of accomplishments, there is some element of subjective narrative to it.
As someone who has no stake in this debate, I don't see how LeBron beats Jordan in the narrative category. MJ is damned near perfect here... Comes in, wins MVP/DPOY, keeps knocking against the Pistons until he finally, organically breaks through, and is damned near perfect from here on out. The only thing LeBron has close to that is knocking off the 73 win Warriors. And Jordan doesn't have any stain on his narrative the way LeBron does with the Decision and with Dallas.
I think that's why for a lot of people Jordan will remain the GOAT regardless.
As someone who has no stake in this debate, I don't see how LeBron beats Jordan in the narrative category. MJ is damned near perfect here... Comes in, wins MVP/DPOY, keeps knocking against the Pistons until he finally, organically breaks through, and is damned near perfect from here on out. The only thing LeBron has close to that is knocking off the 73 win Warriors. And Jordan doesn't have any stain on his narrative the way LeBron does with the Decision and with Dallas.
I think that's why for a lot of people Jordan will remain the GOAT regardless.
Bron couldn't even make the damn playoffs last year but you're talking bout first round losses to the Bad Boys and the literal best team ever at the time in Larry Bird's Celtics???
He also couldn't even make the playoffs over Carlos Boozer and Michael Redd in the years Jordan was dropping 60+ on Larry Bird and getting called God in the process; funny how that always goes unmentioned when people try and bring up MJ's early career losses to historic teams 10x better than teams that have swept Bron multiple times in the postseason
. I hope YOU personally can imagine and get familiar with first round exits tho, cause that's all you're gonna have to look forward to as a Warriors "fan" for the next decade onwards 
But I'm sure you'll just hop bandwagons again like you always do once it's clear their future is as bleak and hopeless as yours is in the few waking moments you don't spend withering away with your eyes and hands glued to the keyboard IRL. 
Gil Scott-Heroin
Veteran
The fact that you can't identify the satirizing of NBA meme culture, as if somehow losing in the first round, just like losing in the Finals, or any other arbitrary scale that's absent of all context, is an indictment of a player's greatness is troubling. What's even more troubling, is that you can't seem to exist outside this dap-fishing mode [a placebo for this constant need of being accepted], even in your neg rep comment, you're still trying to keep up appearances. In combination with all this ersatz psychoanalysis that's on the same cognitive level of an adolescent, there's some heavy projection going on here with you.Bron couldn't even make the damn playoffs last year but you're talking bout first round losses to the Bad Boys and the literal best team ever at the time in Larry Bird's Celtics???
He also couldn't even make the playoffs over Carlos Boozer and Michael Redd in the years Jordan was dropping 60+ on Larry Bird and getting called God in the process; funny how that always goes unmentioned when people try and bring up MJ's early career losses to historic teams 10x better than teams that have swept Bron multiple times in the postseason
I hope you're getting help for whatever it is you're dealing with, if only for the sake of those who have the misfortune of having to be around you.
fifth column
Superstar
If Bron went to 10 finals and didn’t win any then how would this accomplishment be viewed? It’s the actual winning that counts, you are so focused on finding some obscure accomplishments that Bron has over MJ that your posts have become delusional. If I never saw Bron play and someone says he went to 10 finals I would say how many chips? his team must have been a dynasty or played with several dynasties that 3-peated. Fortunately I have seen Bron’s career and he created supersteams that were not dynasties that got to the finals and lost 6 out of 10 times. I’m not knocking Bron he is top 2 or 3 but his blind witnesses need to take a peak at reality. It’s even more comical when I see Bron stans try to make a case for Bron as goat and can’t provide nothing impressive to go with it just emotions.
SuavePrince
All Star
20 years later we will be having the same discussions
Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
you need to be able to have seen both ... listening to people who started watching basketball as children when Lebron came into the league and AI and Stephon were dueling is pointless
shyt is lowkey ruining basketball because both era's are nothing alike... but once again people are too stupid to know the difference because they didnt watch since the 80s
shyt is lowkey ruining basketball because both era's are nothing alike... but once again people are too stupid to know the difference because they didnt watch since the 80s
Goat poster
KANG LIFE
RIGHT!
20 years later we will be having the same discussions
I Don't understand how people don't get tired of talking about this.
Hacksaw Jim Thuggin
Superstar
why is a thread made whenever someone voices their opinion?
it's his opinion...he's entitled to it
imagine what cats could accomplish if they devoted as much energy and attention to their OWN lives and goals as they do on the accomplishments of MJ and Lebron
it's his opinion...he's entitled to it
imagine what cats could accomplish if they devoted as much energy and attention to their OWN lives and goals as they do on the accomplishments of MJ and Lebron
fifth column
Superstar
MJ is the goatwhy is a thread made whenever someone voices their opinion?
it's his opinion...he's entitled to it
imagine what cats could accomplish if they devoted as much energy and attention to their OWN lives and goals as they do on the accomplishments of MJ and Lebron
paying attention to your own lives is logical but we know emotions trump logic in every decision.
MJ made the playoffs with a losing record three straight seasons as a 22/23/24yo cause depth in his era sucked ass. One of those years the Bulls were 30-52 and still made the playoffs.Bron couldn't even make the damn playoffs last year but you're talking bout first round losses to the Bad Boys and the literal best team ever at the time in Larry Bird's Celtics???
He also couldn't even make the playoffs over Carlos Boozer and Michael Redd in the years Jordan was dropping 60+ on Larry Bird and getting called God in the process; funny how that always goes unmentioned when people try and bring up MJ's early career losses to historic teams
Bron came into the NBA as an 18yo straight out of high school onto a 17-65 team and had them rolling to a winning record in his SECOND season. He was a fukking teenager when that season started and the Cavs had just lost Boozer. He had the Cavs winning playoff series in GOAT fashion and coming one possession away from putting a championship-level squad to sleep in his THIRD season, just 20/21yo.
MJ came into the NBA as a 21yo with three years of tutelage under Dean Smith behind him, joined a 27-win team and couldn't get them to a winning record or win a single playoff series until he was in his 4th season and 25yo.
Your narratives are low-IQ as fukk.
No team has swept Bron multiple times in the postseason dumbass.funny how that always goes unmentioned when people try and bring up MJ's early career losses to historic teams 10x better than teams that have swept Bron multiple times in the postseason
And no, the '87 Celtics who barely edged Detroit and lost in 6 to the Lakers are not "10x better" than the '07 Duncan-TP-Ginobli Spurs or the '18 KD-Steph-Klay Warriors, the only two teams that have ever swept Bron.