Honest discussion about black women's issues/contempt with black men

[Ya?]

Serena Williams for one, take off your cape bruh. I'm not bashing black women, but to sit here and deny that they don't demean black men is serious denial on your part and you know it. Not once an I saying black women ain't shyt, but if you haven't noticed they ARE delivering ether on a consistent basis. Just because they don't ALL come out verbally their actions speak volumes

Posters cannot divorce legit criticism from demeaning.

Demeaning is stephon Clark type comments. They are mean spirited and meant to reduce someone to nothing unprovoked.

Some criticism that women like myself have of black men (not limited to black American men, any black men) is the lack of leadership.

 

[Blackout]

It isn’t just white people, it’s any non black people.

And there are things that can be done to make small improvements outside of the scope of racism that are not being handled the way they should.

I don’t kiss anyone’s ass on here but I am fair. I can acknowledge that whites have been a foot on our necks and also say that black men who have some form of authority too often abuse it because they know how desperate blacks collectively want leadership.

But too often these same men who vowed to be better get on some power trip.

And no I am not expecting perfection but some consistency would be nice. If every group we come in contact with finds a way to exploit us then at some point we are partly to blame.

I am off that woe is me, I am black.

Here in the USA many are trying to rise up from exactly what you are mentioning

It’s up to you to invest in them.

Please get Tariq's nuts out your mouth. Your about to choke.

Can yall ever discuss this without harping on the interracial marriage or weaves and calling everyone c00ns? Thats your argument for everything? How hard is it to present leadership for women then these issues all fix themselves?

You love bringing up white men for everything. White men are not stopping you from building an economy. Talking about "what we need is to gain more power". What is stopping you from doing so now?

Name me 10 Black women right now who have married white men and either before or during the relationship demeaned Black men and shytted on them....

Meanwhile we can name dozens of Black men who did that. For all the shyt yall say some of yall are fortunate Black women have not ethered us as much in public as they could have right now...cause the bullshyt yall be on...

Your harping on about crap that I never said.

I ain’t on anybody nuts. If they say the truth then I will call it out.

I am not against IR, I rarely discuss weaves and if I call you a c00n then you are acting like a damn c00n.

White people are currently trying to stop us from rising. You are clearly not using your brain if you failed to notice the racist employers , lawmakers and cops who are holding our people back as we speak.

I love to bring up truth. White people are actively trying to bring is down. That is a fact.

You sound sensitive as fukk and you need to man up cuz your posts reek of weakness.

Many topics on this forum has addressed black women who dissed black men. The saying “black men are trash” has been popular for years.

c00ns consist of black men and black women. That is a fact that you need to accept.

And don’t come at me with that y’all shyt. I ain’t on no bullshyt

 

[Gothboi J]

I have SO much empathy for black people and how our mistreatment (to say the least) by whites has shaped our ideals and mindsets, that I choose not to write most off as c00ns. Again, I think we need better understanding of each other and open minds. Writing people off as c00ns simply because you don't agree with how they choose to handle their personal experience, isn't beneficial. I do get what you're saying, but it's just not how I choose to approach the situation.

c00n lover

 

[I AM WE ARE]

This is another thing yall love to do "take your cape' "your simping",etc. Anytime someone doesn't cosign the misogyny yall have you say its simping if someone agrees with a woman. When any of yall come in contact with the white racist cops though you gonna cross your legs and the bass in your voice will go away

Serena williams is not an example please stop. Serena has not said one bad thing about Black men. SHOW ME

The ether they giving yall is tough love. How is a woman telling yall to step it up bothering you guys so much? Why can't we be leaders like they ask?

I dunno WHO this WE is you speak of, but you act like you've never heard a black woman say anything bad about a black man, and if she does, it's considered tough love, Smh. Yet if we dare criticize them it's misogyny, stop it

 

[I AM WE ARE]

Posters cannot divorce legit criticism from demeaning.

Demeaning is stephon Clark type comments. They are mean spirited and meant to reduce someone to nothing unprovoked.

Some criticism that women like myself have of black men (not limited to black American men, any black men) is the lack of leadership.

Then THAT I can understand, but the"all black men ain't shyt" statements is what I'm speaking on. Again, it goes back to accountability and that's on both/all of us. You can't expect a boy to grow up to be a male leader if you don't raise him like one, you can't expect a man to lead if you constantly undermine what he says or battles for control, if that man isn't fit to lead then leave

 

[I AM WE ARE]

Look i see y'all points yea, but the problem is people come in and try saying one side is completely innocent and the other side is completely wrong, until we take responsibility for our actions instead of either keeping score or pointing fingers, this shyt will continue and it's only getting worse imo

 

[Ya?]

Look i see y'all points yea, but the problem is people come in and try saying one side is completely innocent and the other side is completely wrong, until we take responsibility for our actions instead of either keeping score or pointing fingers, this shyt will continue and it's only getting worse imo

I agree but people need to speak on their legitimate grievances.

However it often devolves into a string of insults. Ya the ish that both sides say about one another hurts. But if it is warranted then let it be said and work towards a solution.

But nah, black people stay on this victim mentality/self pitying instead of tackling what WE are responsible for.

 

[Eddy Gordo]

Posters cannot divorce legit criticism from demeaning.

Demeaning is stephon Clark type comments. They are mean spirited and meant to reduce someone to nothing unprovoked.

Some criticism that women like myself have of black men (not limited to black American men, any black men) is the lack of leadership.

Blame ya mama. Black women were all on that miss independent shyt in 90s and 00s.
Nikkas was just strolling on by like
"You go girl"

Now y'all wanna turn around like "Where y'all at?"

A lot of dudes checked out physically or mentally. A generation of leaders was not raised. So why would you expect them to be that now?

 

[Ya?]

Blame ya mama. Black women were all on that miss independent shyt in 90s and 00s.
Nikkas was just strolling on by like
"You go girl"

Now y'all wanna turn around like "Where y'all at?"

A lot of dudes checked out physically or mentally. A generation of leaders was not raised. So why would you expect them to be that now?

I am a 90s kid and that has nothing to do with why guys today act like this.

Don’t even go there cause I have address this. Some guys act extra want to show out to their girls. If your own girlfriend is asking you why you acting like this in my presence, you know you are doing too much.

90s y’all show has nothing to do with this, so we can dead this excuse.

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

People in general are just miserable living breh. They’re just picking the easiest targets to blame, otherwise they’d have to blame themselves

All of America is doing that. Turned up when you know who went to DC.

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

Went through this whole thread. Lot of legitimate points, a lot of pandering, a lot finger pointing. But only a few understand the notion at hand

@FightingEvilByMoonlight your very right in some accounts but also dead wrong in a few others.

@nawlinsnfinest I understand what your saying but some of the stuff I don't exactly agree with

It goes back to 2 things. Dismantling/ fighting white supremacy and forcing self accountability and responsibility. If we really want the black community too succeed we must first purge out every c00n and agent within the community that way there is no sabotage or in fighting and from there we address the topic at hand and pick a stance and build from there. We dont need leaders what we need is self sufficiency and self governance, it takes a village to raise a child. From there on we can fight WS.

A lot of people talking about this generation of black men can't lead BUT WHO RAISED THEM?!?! The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Most these nikkas raised by single moms you expecting a women to teach a man how to be a man? You failed there already. Only a snall minority of women know and can put into practice what it takes to be a man. Then you have both black men and black women enabling trash behavior on both sides. Black men need to stop entertaining ain't hoes and black women need to stop chasing ain't shyt nikkas.

 

[Eddy Gordo]

I am a 90s kid and that has nothing to do with why guys today act like this.

Don’t even go there cause I have address this. Some guys act extra want to show out to their girls. If your own girlfriend is asking you why you acting like this in my presence, you know you are doing too much.

90s y’all show has nothing to do with this, so we can dead this excuse.

I am also a 90s kid. Look at who raised most of the guys you know. Do they have strong male leadership in they lives?

The ones I know, most of them didn't. So why would you expect any type of leadership from them now. Men are not born they have to be made. Would you trust the men in our age group to lead you?

 

[CASHAPP]

Went through this whole thread. Lot of legitimate points, a lot of pandering, a lot finger pointing. But only a few understand the notion at hand

@FightingEvilByMoonlight your very right in some accounts but also dead wrong in a few others.

@nawlinsnfinest I understand what your saying but some of the stuff I don't exactly agree with

It goes back to 2 things. Dismantling/ fighting white supremacy and forcing self accountability and responsibility. If we really want the black community too succeed we must first purge out every c00n and agent within the community that way there is no sabotage or in fighting and from there we address the topic at hand and pick a stance and build from there. We dont need leaders what we need is self sufficiency and self governance, it takes a village to raise a child. From there on we can fight WS.

A lot of people talking about this generation of black men can't lead BUT WHO RAISED THEM?!?! The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Most these nikkas raised by single moms you expecting a women to teach a man how to be a man? You failed there already. Only a snall minority of women know and can put into practice what it takes to be a man. Then you have both black men and black women enabling trash behavior on both sides. Black men need to stop entertaining ain't hoes and black women need to stop chasing ain't shyt nikkas.

Again you guys watch too much Tariq.

When women say leaders they mean in terms of leading communities, but when someone says that people assume they mean being civil rights leaders.

You say "who raised the men" but who is supposed to be raising them with these same single women? Don't bring up the white supremacy child support nonsense because face it most of the fathers are largely to blame. Don't use the "well she should have closed her legs" or "she knew the type of man..." argument. If men would stop constantly leaving we wouldn't have to talk about women getting in their feelings and attempting to teach a man to be a man.

Then to make matters worse, these same women have brothers(the sons uncle) and a grandfather and they continue the cycle by not teaching this young man who they know has no father ANYTHING about being a man. All these different men but everyone puts it all on the women then makes posts like that blaming her?

Also not every deadbeat dad is the image the average person has. Plenty of men with careers like electricians or doctors have been deadbeat fathers. IT is a character issue. Stop bringing it back on women, This is what we are trying to tell yall but we don't listen. None of that "Well its both of us...." You are either saying its mainly the women fault or how both people hold equal responsibility.

No the men need to be men and take full responsibility because they are supposed to be the ones who guide and protect the community. As i mentioned men in other races would not be doing this.

The men are supposed to be the "bosses' and take responsibility for what happens

For as long as we say "Well both of us..." I promise you nothing will change. Women are followers. When you start to see men take full ownership and get on their A game then women will follow their lead. Its that simple. But as long as we want women to say lets both take equal blame nothing will change.

 

[MMA]

What I've learned in my short time at corporate america (working for myself now)

The black woman complaining is simple. They want us to solely fight WS while they still have access to white economics

It's why they solely go after black man has a whole and the standards that white woman get to have in western society

They want out of WS with the least amount of effort involved in creating a black economics. I hear about all of these degrees and minority woman creating businesses but nothing about black economics or growth of black woman hiring from black owned companies.. The black woman that are playing huge roles in black economics aren't going around bashing black man.

You are not going to find your answers bashing black man

I bet you the school you were at was white owned, white operated but she wants to critique black man lifestyle choices. Critique black woman who want all the benefits of white woman like wasting your youth and sleeping around until later points in their life to look for a husband then complain man of standards aren't available. Where are the black woman telling young black woman in college to look for husbands with a career path.

There's no education on how black man or woman should date but then you want to set these standards later on for people.

Again you guys watch too much Tariq.

When women say leaders they mean in terms of leading communities, but when someone says that people assume they mean being civil rights leaders.

You say "who raised the men" but who is supposed to be raising them with these same single women? Don't bring up the white supremacy child support nonsense because face it most of the fathers are largely to blame. Don't use the "well she should have closed her legs" or "she knew the type of man..." argument. If men would stop constantly leaving we wouldn't have to talk about women getting in their feelings and attempting to teach a man to be a man.

Then to make matters worse, these same women have brothers(the sons uncle) and a grandfather and they continue the cycle by not teaching this young man who they know has no father ANYTHING about being a man. All these different men but everyone puts it all on the women then makes posts like that blaming her?

Also not every deadbeat dad is the image the average person has. Plenty of men with careers like electricians or doctors have been deadbeat fathers. IT is a character issue. Stop bringing it back on women, This is what we are trying to tell yall but we don't listen. None of that "Well its both of us...." You are either saying its mainly the women fault or how both people hold equal responsibility.

No the men need to be men and take full responsibility because they are supposed to be the ones who guide and protect the community. As i mentioned men in other races would not be doing this.

The men are supposed to be the "bosses' and take responsibility for what happens

For as long as we say "Well both of us..." I promise you nothing will change. Women are followers. When you start to see men take full ownership and get on their A game then women will follow their lead. Its that simple. But as long as we want women to say lets both take equal blame nothing will change.

Agreed on the equal blame part but the bashing has to stop. It's not getting anyone anywhere. Black woman are making it clear known they will not be at the forefront of tackling WS

They want us to do it while also wanting us to play into WS too, our people will not survive no matter if black boys are equally getting into colleges with black woman or whatever rhetoric they believe is the sole problem

It's has simple has saying We want black man to lead our households and grow an economic system for us.

No they go straight to bullshyt ass college which has white issues written all over it. We have one of the worse education systems in America and they keep painting this picture that college will save us

Just want to see our woman not so hateful

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

Again you guys watch too much Tariq.

When women say leaders they mean in terms of leading communities, but when someone says that people assume they mean being civil rights leaders.

I really don't care for Tariq and no you just proved exactly what i mean. I was never referring to civil rights leader. I'm Nigerian I see things from an African point of view, your Americanized view of the world got things fukked up. Do yo think i said it takes a village to raise child just for the sake of it? Is a village not a community?

You say "who raised the men" but who is supposed to be raising them with these same single women? Don't bring up the white supremacy child support nonsense because face it most of the fathers are largely to blame. Don't use the "well she should have closed her legs" or "she knew the type of man..." argument. If men would stop constantly leaving we wouldn't have to talk about women getting in their feelings and attempting to teach a man to be a man.

Smh do we not shyt on black men for impregnating aint shyt women or women we know that wouldn't make good mothers? Why are our female counter parts exempt from the same criticisms when it come to them? Sounds like you just want to be coddled ok Fine lets ignore that part of the argument but answer me this. Why are you expecting a generation of men to lead when these men were never taught? at that point who do we then hold accountable. their fathers? mothers? themselves? you need to start somewhere and i hold BOTH parties accountable because it takes 2 tango but it seems you just want things to be a one sided battle. If we are both presented a contract and i'm wiling to sign and uphold my end of the deal and you don't whose fault is that? I did mine but you don't wanna do yours? you buggin

Then to make matters worse, these same women have brothers(the sons uncle) and a grandfather and they continue the cycle by not teaching this young man who they know has no father ANYTHING about being a man. All these different men but everyone puts it all on the women then makes posts like that blaming her?

I'm chalking this up to an american thing. My father, grandfathers, uncles, god fathers, and various male mentors have all been in my life and sat me down to make sure i get it and i can also say the same for my social circle even my AA friends. I can see why you would be mad at this but that just goes back to the it takes a village to raise child idiom.

Also not every deadbeat dad is the image the average person has. Plenty of men with careers like electricians or doctors have been deadbeat fathers. IT is a character issue. Stop bringing it back on women, This is what we are trying to tell yall but we don't listen. None of that "Well its both of us...." You are either saying its mainly the women fault or how both people hold equal responsibility.

No the men need to be men and take full responsibility because they are supposed to be the ones who guide and protect the community. As i mentioned men in other races would not be doing this.

The men are supposed to be the "bosses' and take responsibility for what happens

Do you have any idea or even pay attention how men of other races treat their women? The black community is progressive compared to them. Sure the arabs, asians, whites, and hispanics Lead or be men but they all have very misogynistic view of gender roles and put their women on a leash. You must of grown up in a majority black community otherwise you would know the grass aint always greener. shyt even as a African we have the same view as them so for us it's not really an issue (yet anyways). Only group of women i hear talking down on their men besides black women are asians but even the asians are trying to dead that whole thing with the quickness.

For as long as we say "Well both of us..." I promise you nothing will change. Women are followers. When you start to see men take full ownership and get on their A game then women will follow their lead. Its that simple. But as long as we want women to say lets both take equal blame nothing will change.

The men that do take full ownership are there they just get ignored because they aren't the ideal. Also this comes back to who you hang out with and whose in your social circle, if you're constantly coming into contact with bytch nikkas instead of real solid dudes then you need to question how you're moving.

I won't even say "well the both of us" at this point imma just tell you "oh word" and proceed to do my own thing and act accordingly. You know what time it is. People keep saying do better but they themselves don't even act the part. I hold up my own always and if i can't I'll let you know and replace myself with someone who can, this goes back to accountability and responsibility but it seems like everyone just wants to be irresponsible nowadays.