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How A Group Of Black Progressives Derailed Black Progress: Purists vs Pragmatists
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Tbh, I mostly agree with this article. 
The key here is this: False Equivalency.
Everybody here agrees (with the possible exception of the OP) that Hillary was a horrible candidate. We can talk about the DNC leaks, the pay-for-access controversies of the Clinton Foundation, and the E E E E E M A I L S :shaqyes: all day, but the conclusion that "Hillary's dirt and Trump's dirt are the same" is dumb. It was also a hugely successful deception.
The better choice in 2016 was clear. Though both candidates were bad, I saw no reason to believe that Trump and Clinton were equally bad. Especially for the reasons cited. Black people as a whole are not in the position to withhold votes to obtain what we ask for.
Hillary didn't brag about grabbing Obama by the dikk
make fun of a disabled person 
or most importantly, be so insecure and thin-skinned that she lashed out at whoever said bad things about her. Controlling yourself in situations like that are ESSENTIAL to the presidency, and it's the reason why the rest of the world now sees the US as weak.
A leader who pops his mouth off at every opportunity puts America at risk of losing its position at the top. That puts black people in danger more than anything, even more than passing regressive policies or doing nothing. :kanyebp:
The key here is this: False Equivalency.
Everybody here agrees (with the possible exception of the OP) that Hillary was a horrible candidate. We can talk about the DNC leaks, the pay-for-access controversies of the Clinton Foundation, and the E E E E E M A I L S :shaqyes: all day, but the conclusion that "Hillary's dirt and Trump's dirt are the same" is dumb. It was also a hugely successful deception.
The better choice in 2016 was clear. Though both candidates were bad, I saw no reason to believe that Trump and Clinton were equally bad. Especially for the reasons cited. Black people as a whole are not in the position to withhold votes to obtain what we ask for.
Hillary didn't brag about grabbing Obama by the dikk
make fun of a disabled person or most importantly, be so insecure and thin-skinned that she lashed out at whoever said bad things about her. Controlling yourself in situations like that are ESSENTIAL to the presidency, and it's the reason why the rest of the world now sees the US as weak.A leader who pops his mouth off at every opportunity puts America at risk of losing its position at the top. That puts black people in danger more than anything, even more than passing regressive policies or doing nothing. :kanyebp:
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Oceanicpuppy
Superstar
There is a lot of justified angst from the black community toward the Democratic Party but that doesn't mean you can afford to not vote.
Trump is a moral hazard of the highest degree NOT to prevent from obtaining office.Tbh, I mostly agree with this article.
The key here is this: False Equivalency.
Everybody here agrees (with the possible exception of the OP) that Hillary was a horrible candidate. We can talk about the DNC leaks, the pay-for-access controversies of the Clinton Foundation, and the E E E E E M A I L S :shaqyes: all day, but the conclusion that "Hillary's dirt and Trump's dirt are the same" was a hugely successful deception.
The better choice in 2016 was clear. Though both candidates were bad, I saw no reason to believe that Trump and Clinton were equally bad. Especially for the reasons cited. Black people as a whole are not in the position to withhold votes to obtain what we ask for.
Hillary didn't brag about grabbing Obama by the dikk
A leader who pops his mouth off at every opportunity puts America at risk of losing its position at the top. That puts black people in danger more than anything, even more than passing regressive policies or doing nothing. :kanyebp:
no third party votes
no protest votes
no abstentions.
GnauzBookOfRhymes
Superstar
You're overestimating how much influence people like Cornel West has in the black community.
Hillary didn't get the same percentage of AA votes primarily because
1) she wasn't Obama
2) she didn't excite voters enough to get out and vote - anyone involved in politics will tell you that you have to give people a reason to vote beyond simply hatred/distrust of your opponent
3) stupid shyt like campaigning in places like Arizona
4) selecting Tim Kaine as VP (I will never understand that one)
Hillary didn't get the same percentage of AA votes primarily because
1) she wasn't Obama
2) she didn't excite voters enough to get out and vote - anyone involved in politics will tell you that you have to give people a reason to vote beyond simply hatred/distrust of your opponent
3) stupid shyt like campaigning in places like Arizona
4) selecting Tim Kaine as VP (I will never understand that one)
I see it like this:
I'd rather vote for an administration that's stagnant on the plight of Black Americans, rather than one that's ultimately destructive to the entire American system.
Trying to think of a good analogy, but the best thing I can compare it to is this:
Say you're trying to plant a tree in soil that's not the greatest. Is it better to plant it in the bad soil, or excavate the entire patch of land and fill itin with useless sand?
No reasonable person is going to argue that planting in bad soil is equal to planting in sand. There's some very fundamental differences. Even bad soil is still soil at the end of the day.
No reasonable person is going to argue that planting in bad soil is equal to planting in sand. There's some very fundamental differences. Even bad soil is still soil at the end of the day.
You can't organize and mobilize black people if the current administration considers your Constitutional rights optional. :panthersafe:
the cac mamba
Veteran
@4d 6f 6e 65 79 lets say that hypothetically, it was up to you to run bernie or hillary in 2016. and you knew beforehand that hillary would lose
would you choose to run bernie sanders for a possible win? or run hillary with a certain loss
would you choose to run bernie sanders for a possible win? or run hillary with a certain loss
How come your hypotheticals are so shytty?@4d 6f 6e 65 79 lets say that hypothetically, it was up to you to run bernie or hillary in 2016. and you knew beforehand that hillary would lose
would you choose to run bernie sanders for a possible win? or run hillary with a certain loss
Of course I would do anything practical to prevent Trump from winning.
no one mentioned cornel west. read the article. it speaks directly to the Coli.
intra vires
Glory to Michigan
BUT THERE IS LITERALLY NO DIFFERENCE IN DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PARTIES NOW....
This is such an absurd statement that your next sentence contracts it...
Indifference and outright hostility are NOT the same thing.
Neither party is good... neither are friends of the black community, but they are not equally bad.
C'mon now.
Exactly.
intra vires
Glory to Michigan
@4d 6f 6e 65 79 lets say that hypothetically, it was up to you to run bernie or hillary in 2016. and you knew beforehand that hillary would lose
would you choose to run bernie sanders for a possible win? or run hillary with a certain loss
I may be able to answer that question for you, but I'll be using 2020 candidates instead...
You know who he backs right?
That's the whole point. This election wasn't about voting for progress it was about voting AGAINST regression.Hillary winning = black progress????
Hillary winning doesn't equal black progess, I agree.
But Trump winning = Black Regress.
You really think having the KKK's candidate in the oval office is better for black people?
I'd rather tread water and fix nothing, than take backwards steps in the opposite direction.
ORDER_66
I dont care anymore 2026
This is such an absurd statement that your next sentence contracts it...
Indifference and outright hostility are NOT the same thing.
Neither party is good... neither are friends of the black community, but they are not equally bad.
you really wanted to discredit me but you point out something so hypocritical that it boils down to semantics of what I initially said in the first fukking place!!!!
also you just joined thursday and already have zero rep....
IVS
Superstar
Not voting for Hillary is the best thing that ever happened for black people. It was very revealing that our so called leaders have no plan, and just riding the democrats coattails for elected positions to help them exploit black folks for votes.
Pay attention to whats going on. All these black liberals do is talk about what Trump is doing. But they asses are not doing shyt in response. I feel like the democrats really only exist to help retard the progress of black people, by promoting the illusion of progression. They are even greater swindlers than so called the right wingers. But I recognize that an eagle has wings, and the right and left are merely the appendages of the same bird. The wings go where the bird takes\tells them. So I know whether its the left wing of the right wing of America, that the Eagle is still whats in control.
Pay attention to whats going on. All these black liberals do is talk about what Trump is doing. But they asses are not doing shyt in response. I feel like the democrats really only exist to help retard the progress of black people, by promoting the illusion of progression. They are even greater swindlers than so called the right wingers. But I recognize that an eagle has wings, and the right and left are merely the appendages of the same bird. The wings go where the bird takes\tells them. So I know whether its the left wing of the right wing of America, that the Eagle is still whats in control.
