How come cacs didnt hijack jazz like they did rock n roll??

[ceezy]

Kenny G says you're wrong.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

From the mouth of a swing era icon



to bebop era

@ 37 secs

 

[keond]

Charlotte
Richmond ( various other Virginia cities)
D.C.
Detroit
Hell any city with a sizable Black population.

The thing is they are more smooth Jazz based festivals.

yea maybe i should have clarified.

Its like this year i took my family to the ATL jazz festival and most people there (including my fam) could give less than a shyt about the music. They just wanted funnel cakes and have the chance to do some of the kid attractions. Most jazz performances outside of the festivals have been mostly white audiences. Most of those audiences are more into to the artist and music rather than the atmosphere.

I went to the Newport Jazz festival and it seemed like people were really into to the music. The audience and artists was mostly white tho.

This how it looked

 

[IllmaticDelta]

question did black parents hate rock n roll/rhythm and blues like white parents or nah?

also check this

 

[IllmaticDelta]

More on the bebop and the intillectualization of Jazz

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

You do realize that bebop was looked down by historic jazz figures such as Louis Armstrong?

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

@IllmaticDelta valid with this type of shyt though. Plenty of people who know hip hop but dont rap could tell you more about the genre than "professional" rappers of today. Just saying

try me. and do it without quoting a whole bunch of sources. i'm not trying to match wits with google's search engine. everything he's said i've been known about for years, done reports on while i was in college, and i'm telling you why things are the way they are now as a musician that's read all that information and been in the scene. it's foolish to argue with me, i'm telling you...

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Its true. Most of the old guard of Jazz hated it.

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

Its true. Most of the old guard of Jazz hated it.

tell me something i don't know, please. you should be asking me questions, not the other way around. for real though...

 

[IllmaticDelta]

tell me something i don't know, please. you should be asking me questions, not the other way around. for real though...

I already told you something you seemed not to know. Black beboppers were the ones who first over intellectualized jazz and got hung up on theory. They wanted Jazz to be seen as high art music and not dance music.

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

I already told you something you seemed not to know. Black beboppers were the ones who first over intellectualized jazz and got hung up on theory. They wanted Jazz to be seen as high art music and not dance music.

no you didn't, you haven't educated me about anything new. all you're spouting out is stuff someone else has said. do you realize i've done transcribed 50+ bebop solos from artist like parker, stitt, rollins, etc when i was in college? you think you're gonna tell me something new about bebop i don't know?

slim chance homie

 

[IllmaticDelta]

i'll entertain this; they did. what they did was put it in universities and made it a scholarly, collegiate pursuit. most of the "critically acclaimed" modern jazz musicians have passed thru the university system at one time or another even if they didn't graduate. more importantly, it became "intellectual" music or it was intellectualized. what i mean by that is that they came up with musical based theories about the sounds and ideas behind jazz and sucked the soul out of it. that's not to say the players themselves don't have soul, but it's no longer an art form based on feeling. instead, you have to know your mixolydian, phrygians, dorian scales, whole tone, pentatonics, hexatonics, triad pairings, etc. otherwise, those who've come out of the university are unlikely to recognize you as such an artist. i use to think i played jazz. nowadays, i just consider myself a musician. i wouldn't want to be lumped in with all that shyt...

One of the complaints about bebop was that it was virtuostic but soulless to some people. The hardbop that came later was both influenced and a reaction to the over intellectualization of bebop (and cool jazz) and a attempt to bringing Jazz away from the art music/classical leanings and back to it's roots

Michael Cuscuna maintains that Silver and Blakey's efforts were in response to the New York bebop scene:

Both Art and Horace were very, very aware of what they wanted to do. They wanted to get away from the jazz scene of the early '50s, which was the Birdland scene—you hire Phil Woods or Charlie Parker or J. J. Johnson, they come and sit in with the house rhythm section, and they only play blues and standards that everybody knows. There's no rehearsal, there's no thought given to the audience. Both Horace and Art knew that the only way to get the jazz audience back and make it bigger than ever was to really make music that was memorable and planned, where you consider the audience and keep everything short. They really liked digging into blues and gospel, things with universal appeal. So they put together what was to be called the Jazz Messengers.[7]

 

[IllmaticDelta]

no you didn't, you haven't educated me about anything new. all you're spouting out is stuff someone else has said. do you realize i've done transcribed 50+ bebop solos from artist like parker, stitt, rollins, etc when i was in college? you think you're gonna tell me something new about bebop i don't know?

slim chance homie

Man, you're still dodging the point. You transcribing bop solos isn't going to change the fact that the black beboppers are the ones that almost reduced Jazz to heavy knowledge of theory/scales. Im not going to blame the start of that on college music programs, although they are the ones who have continued the process.

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

Man, you're still dodging the point. You transcribing bop solos isn't going to change the fact that the black beboppers are the ones that almost reduced Jazz to heavy knowledge of theory/scales. Im not going to blame the start of that on college music programs, although they are the ones who have continued the process.